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Suggestions & Comments / Re: Why is Eboka Dying?
« on: August 06, 2017, 04:32:19 AM »
Why has activity on this site screeched to a halt?

First time posting in a long time...

Last year when I was still obsessing about iboga, I wondered the exact same thing.  I would say the key members of this forum that kept it alive are now gone or not posting regularly and creating the community spirit that kept this forum thriving from about 2010-2014 where you could log in everyday and check a new message.  I could name names but those who were on would know the regulars.  I was one of them and one of the most unruly and erratic posters that caused a lot of dissension.

Something had to give and I quit cold turkey by stop reading iboga forums.  I may have lurked a few times last year, but I think this guy summed up why I should quit iboga.  Read Farewell DMT and replace the DMT with iboga.  And the funny thing is that I'm still not able to stay off the drug forums by not lurking.

And you know to get over this, I would replace this whole online community with a real life community like Alcoholic Anonymous or Sex & Love Addicts which is a 12 step support group.  Actually I have been going to both groups almost every day for the past two months and am amazed how much it's affected me just from working the first 5 steps (don't have a sponsor, accountability, or done inventory yet).

What I found in AA that relates to iboga is that I have an "alcoholic mind" with iboga.  Last time I did a flood was back in 2009.  I've microdosed a few times during those years, but year after year, I kept on reading flood reports, every online iboga forum, kept up with every new post, done online activism to preserve iboga sustainability, talked to people casually about iboga.

While iboga isn't addictive as alcohol where you need a drink every day to function, the way the Big Book describes the "mental obsession" is what I've experienced with iboga.  I way way to obsessed to seek iboga as detoxing my mental patterns, wondering if I did another flood dose things would change, seeking that catharsis that many report after a flood.

Well after going to AA I didn't realize that there is the hard work of actually doing the steps.  You don't need a controlling spirit in a 3 day ordeal to show you all your faults and character defects, but can work with a sponsor over the process of working the steps and when you get to Step 9, you make amends to those you have caused harm.  There hasn't been anything like that on here, just people posting anecdotal experiences and talking about what supplements they changed or what spiritual practice they are doing.  You don't get to see people on a day to day basis and have accountability.

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Facebook?

I've quit posting cold turkey for a year which was hard going through withdrawals by lurking multiple times a day.  These days I don't read any iboga forums other than checking here once in a while.  This was one of the best forums to discuss iboga back in the day compared to Mindvox or the FB forums which was just a lot of banter.

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Has the demand for anonymous iboga discussion totally dropped?

I don't know, but I do know that a lot of psychedelic talk has gone over to reddit.  I'm still not over iboga and psychedelics because of the new trend of microdosing that started in 2015 and is getting more popular today.  I've tried that this year after replacing an SSRI and it worked quite well.  And now I'm trying to quit because I'm using the tools of sobriety of AA and the positive changes of general diet and exercise, and most importantly talking to God and having a daily relationship with Him which I haven't made a regular practice.

Mostly the talk is about microdosing mushrooms/LSD, but I did notice that there was people seeking iboga microdosing information.

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Does it matter? Do we care?

Great questions, I've been wondering the same thing.  I'll start caring after I get to the 9th step and start doing inventory and making amends by posting here if this forum is still around something along the lines of changing my life controlling issues after being an iboga addict for 10 years or something.

skinny

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Compost Pile / Re: iboga house
« on: March 02, 2014, 06:24:27 PM »
I would not recommend Moughenda (Iboga House) nor Dimitri "Mobengo" Muguanis (Iboga Life) from Costa Rica.

Moughenda you can read on here as well as Dimitri, they offer services for people with $$$$ to spend.  I know there are plenty of people who had good experiences with them, but I had a run-in with Dimitri and was not impressed with him as a respectable shaman.  Recently I had talked to a woman who used to work with D in New York City a few years ago, and she confirmed my suspicions that he was doing shady stuff.   She eventually quit working with D.  These are some serious allegations of using your ego and power to promote your shamanism, something I am not fond of.  I felt like I was being ripped off from him and apparently there are allegations of him doing it to other clients that he treated.

But if you wish to see those individuals, it's still up to you.  I cannot in good conscious recommend Bwiti shamans, unless I know them personally.

I would check in with Paul Featherstone who commutes from the UK to Greece.  And other iboga healers (I cannot recommend anyone personally as I would need to know their work to do that)

skinny



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Compost Pile / Re: iboga house
« on: March 02, 2014, 01:07:44 PM »
Suffering sucks, so yeah it's not the most pleasant of human state of being, but we all go through it to varying degrees in our lives.

skinny

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Kampum :  Glad to see you around, I really hope you stick around, believe it or not, I have missed you around here.. if you do plan to stick around could you please convince entheo_newbie to come back? ;)  Your information is valuable to us and I am about to get back to work every day here soon and just can't be here every day like I am able to in the winter.  We have had some wonderful new folks here lately and you could help out a lot.  I am very happy to see you posting and hope you are doing okay.

Much love,
lala

Same here!  I said it before, you are always welcome to come back and post here. :)

skinny

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The Muse / Re: D_ivine M_oments of T_ruth
« on: March 01, 2014, 06:51:19 PM »
Take it a step further if you see fit (full album): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDiZG-eAk30

Great album!  I used Are You Spongled? as one of the icaro soundtracks to my Ayahuasca ceremony. :D

skinny



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The most casual opiate habit I had was taking Vicodins for a week, recreationally.

Opiates aren't my vice.

But for opiate addicts detoxing on iboga....well ask JackTripper, he somehow got it to his head to do that casual thing again and that was his last relapse.

So be careful.  Ask a junkie that's been through it many times before....they will likely say, it's not a good idea to get loaded anymore.

And if you had the privilege to come across iboga in your life, I'd say it wouldn't be wise to go down the opiate path again.  Life isn't always so ideal though, because some people might need to use again for completely different reasons (surgery, accidental injury)

skinny

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General Discussion / Re: Iboga and Christianity
« on: January 18, 2014, 09:52:20 AM »
I am planning to take iboga for my kratom addiction. I am Christian and do believe in Jesus. Sorry for maybe silly question, but what are your opinions - does it stick together? The more I read and watch, i get a little bit confused, because people write about Iboga spirit, meeting ancestors etc which is not what I want. I just wanted to ask - are there any believing Christians who had experienced iboga treatment? I understand that I need to decide myself, just need your opinions. Does iboga treatment always have "iboga spirit" attached? Or everything depends on you?





http://imgur.com/a/e9mRm

skinny

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General Discussion / Re: Iboga and Christianity
« on: January 18, 2014, 12:46:17 AM »
The modern day Fang Bwiti, integrate christianity into their worship with Iboga.  So I believe they are compatible. I think that Iboga helps you understand yourself in a much better way, which also means understanding your religious or spiritual beliefs more clearly. The impact it has on your beliefs, varies from person to person.  If you are a christian that believes in Jesus, my bet is that Iboga will bring you closer to Jesus and to those feelings.  As for revisiting trauma, I think that reviewing and feeling those wounds again will ultimately be a positive thing. 

This is where the Bwiti religion is FLAWED.  It incorporated Christianity into Iboga much like the Santo Daime does it with Ayahuasca.  There is nothing necessarily wrong with this, it is just that you need to understand the true origins of Christianity and the occult significance of it.

Africa much like South America has a long history of colonialization and imperialism.  Spanish Conquistadors christianized most of S. America after the ruins of powerful cultures of the Aztecs, Mayans, Incas, etc.  I don't know much about African history, but just about every african country today has some sort of christian influence.

Gnosticism is known as the Myth that explains All myths. So little is known about it because the early christians tried to suppress the knowledge of it that only a few segments were kept preserved such as the Gospel of Thomas, who happened to be the "doubter" of Jesus's disciples.

In the 1940s a landmark discovery was made.  The Nag Hammadi Library which contained a bunch of Gnostic texts, many incomplete accounts of the gospels of Mary Magdalene, Melchizidek, Enoch etc.  These figure are found in the Bible, but very little is known about them.  The Mystery Schools teach this (and I believe this is suppressed by the secret societies, Vatican), so for a collection to go public like this is ASTOUNDING.  It wasn't until about 20 years ago that these text were publicized.  Most gnostic writings have a "christian" spin on them, but there is one man that scrutinized the texts and wrote a book:  Not in His Image, by John Lamb Lash....more on that later.

Jesus is a metaphor for the Sun.  God's Son which is "The Light of the World", rising in the constellation of Leo (Summer) when the Sun is the hottest on Earth, known as the "Lion of the Tribe of Judah", Judah is a patriarch of Israel [Isis (moon) + Ra (sun) + El (pagan diety)] (formerly known as Jacob), son of Isaac, grandson of Abraham [father of many nations]...Jesus "dies" in the Winter Solstice (Dec 25th) when the Sun stays stationary (dies for 3 days) and "moves back up" (resurrection) the Equator until Springtime of the fertility cults.

A Crash Course on Astro-theology:

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Jordan Maxwell Reveals the Truth about Jesus and Moses (9 min)
* The legendary researcher Jordan Maxwell reveals the truth about Jesus, Moses and Christianity. Religion is a tool to keep humanity enslaved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMJkcPNYD_U

Jordan Maxwell Religion ~ Jesus ~ Astrotheology
http://imgur.com/a/ZWF0j
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/Religion.html

Micheal Tsarion ~ Astrotheology & Side-real Mythology
http://www.blackherbals.com/astro-theology.pdf

Spend some time reading and listening to John Lash / Jordan Maxwell / Micheal Tsarion talks on podcasts, Youtube, and MP3s on his site.  This will take lots of time to research.  These are the best guys to go to learn a grand scope of world myths...and I believe that John Lash is the successor of all those since it ties into the Sophia myth.  You need to start with an Archon podcast to get an overview or read up on it on his site.

Gnostic definition of Jesus:

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Jesus of Palestine Proposed term for an historical character who lived in the first Century CE, distinguished from Jesus of Nazareth, the character portrayed in the Gospels of the New Testament.

Technically speaking, the genre of the Gospels is known as "Hellenistic romance." This is a novelistic form embellished with miracle tales and supernatural aspects, very common in antiquity. Some other Hellenistic novels survive, such as the fantastic biographies of Apollonius of Tyana, an exact contemporary of the presumed Jesus, but most of them are lost, or perhaps destroyed to create the illusion of uniqueness for the Gospel narratives. In the NT the figure of Jesus is a composite, a collage of different characters: the radical rabbi who defies the Law of the Jews in order to fulfill it, the desert saint, the teacher who speaks in parables, the Zealot, the privileged scion of a Jewish royal family, the humble carpenter's son, the companion of Mary Magdalene, the freedom-fighter who takes on the Romans, the promised messiah, the mystic, the initiate from the Mysteries, the Egyptian magician and faith healer...

The most well-known composite of these diverse elements is "Jesus of Nazareth," but considered historically, the most plausible persona that can be constructed from the Gospels with the aid of existing textual and archeological evidence, particularly the evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls, is "Jesus of Palestine." This character was a Jewish extremist supported by the Zealots and ideologically inspired by the Zaddakim, the extremist cult on the Dead Sea whose doctrines provided the kernal for the Christian salvationist program that dominates the world today. In all likelihood, Jesus of Palestine was a terrorist, or at the very least, he was protected and championed by terrorists, the Zealots.

The claim that Jesus was divine was not part of mainstream Jewish religion, but it did figure in the bizarre beliefs of the Zaddikim. For Jews who wished to see the Roman occupation overthrown and a Jewish homeland established in Palestine (the "Promised Land"), Jesus was a racial hero, a unique descendent of the House of David destined to inherit the role of King of the Jews. He was the national messiah, the man anointed to the status of kingship. Anointing with oil was a purely symbolic ceremony, a rite of empowerment for the Jewish King since the days of Saul, before 900 BCE. The King so anointed was called "Son of God," but he was not considered in any sense to be divine.

The Hebrew term messiah was translated in Greek as christos, from the verb chreien, "to anoint." Rather as happens with the parlor game Password, this conversion took the word messiah far beyond its original and literal meaning. In the mystical theology elaborated by Saint Paul and Saint John the Divine, Christos became the term for the divine being, "The Christ," embodied uniquely in the person of Jesus. The Pauline-Johannine elaboration on messiah/christos was a huge departure from the nationalist aspirations of mainstream Jews in Palestine, but it remained true to the hidden, sinister ideology of the Zaddikim cult. Over time, the Christos narrative expanded into a world-wide program of salvation. And so it remains today.

"Jesus of Nazareth" is the name that has come to be universally associated with Jesus Christ as a divine/human hybrid, the sole and unique incarnation of divinity on Earth. Who believes this will believe almost anything. As an imaginative tactic to get past this fiction, I propose "Jesus of Palestine" as an historically credible option to the human persona widely revered as the Christian Savior.

http://www.metahistory.org/LEX/lexicon_J.php

Further reading:

Mystic Jesus: Hanged Man and Dancer
http://www.metahistory.org/psychonautics/Eadwine/MysticJesus.php

see also ~ jesus site:metahistory.org

Questions: Gnostic Hell

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I've been reading about Gnosticism and I'm confused. Do Gnostics believe in Hell or do they believe that Hell is on this earth? Do they believe that it's temporary or permanent?

This is one of the areas where there is a unity of thought in the Gnostic tradition. There is no literal hell in the Gnostic tradition. It is a state that exists for people here. No state of being is permanent here. Hell is a state of ignorance and suffering from being subject to the forces and powers of the world. Ancient texts use metaphors of being a slave, being asleep in a nightmare, of being drunk, and even of being dead. They saw that one could be redeemed from that state to some extent while in the world. That is why it isn't accurate to say that being in the world is being in hell. One of the sacraments/mysteries listed in the Gospel of Philip is the Apolytrosis, a word meaning to be redeemed, to be bought out of slavery. There are also texts that speak of the resurrection as something we experience here and now.

It is a good question as to whether any of the early Christians believed in hell. Certainly, they did not believe in anything similar to the concept as it exists today. It had a long development in Christian culture both in art and literature, and in preaching and theology.

http://gnoscast.blogspot.com/2007/06/blog-post.html

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GNOSTIC HELL: The Gnostics (a term meaning "those who know") are members of an early Christian cult that rejected many of Christ's teachings, especially regarding the nature of matter. They believe that material creations are inherently evil and that existence on earth is equivalent to damnation in hell. Humanity therefore dwells in a state of damnation during life and can reach paradise only by ridding itself of all association with matter.

Gnosticism teaches that God is a distant being who has little contact with humankind. He did not make the world: This was done by the child of the fallen angel Sophia (meaning knowledge). Her son was a lower god who created the realm of human existence. People are thus flawed, and their good comes only from Sophia and her attempts at atoning for her sins. She is destined to be continually reborn, as Helen of Troy, Mary Magdalene, and other prominent women, until the end of time.


According to Gnostic belief, Jesus' incarnation was actually a descent into the underworld. He routs the lower god's kingdom, bringing its subjects secret knowledge, or gnosis. This enables people to attain paradise. Hell is thus a denial of the union with the higher God, not a place of corporal punishment. Since on earth we are separated from God, this life is no different from existence in hell. And because the material universe (including human life) was created by a fallen god, it too is evil. Therefore everyone must pass through the "inferno" before being saved.

A manuscript from the third century, the PISTIS-SOPHIA, describes the Gnostic nature of hell. In the text, Jesus tells Mary Magdalene that the underworld is a "huge dragon" that completely surrounds the world. Inside the dragon are "twelve dungeons of horrible torment," each containing its own overlord, a brutal DEMON who administers torture.


Christian leaders immediately condemned this teaching on several grounds. First, they rejected the concept of God as cold and aloof rather than as a loving father. Second, the hypothesis that some "lower god" had so much power over humans and their fate was illogical and baseless. Most important, Gnostic faith rendered the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ irrelevant, since his very incarnation released souls from hell. (o)

http://www.whiterosesgarden.com/Nature_of_Evil/Underworld/UNDR_hell/UNDR-H_general-desc/UNDR_gnostic_hell.htm

Gnostic definition of Christos

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Christos From the Greek verb khriein, "to anoint." Literally, "the anointed." Direct equivalent to the Hebrew messiah, a title used for the anointed kings in ancient Jewish religion, and retained in specific reference to the Messiah, the awaited savior, the spiritual hero and judge.

When shortened to Christ, this is certainly the most problematic and misleading term in world religion. Discerning the Gnostic Christos from the Christian Christ is one of the essential tasks we face in recovering the true message of Pagan Mysteries.

The identification of Jesus (human) as "the Christ" (superhuman, divine, "Only-Begotten Son of God) was made by Saint Paul around 75 CE, but the divinity of Jesus Christ was not established as a doctrinal matter until the Nicean Council of 325 CE. At that event, the Emperor Constantine forced the vote so that he could meld his political power with the mystique of a fast-growing new religion, later to be known Christianity. Belief in the divinity of Jesus may be an inspiring and comforting thing to many people, but to the faux-convert Constantine it was savvy political move, a way to underwrite Roman law by divine authority. The Roman Catholic alliance of fascism with salvationist in the Divine Redeemer was to exercise a death-grip on the world for many centuries, and still does, although that grip is failing.

Before Constantine, certain Emperoros had declared themselves divine. They were viewed as arrogant fools by the general public, and rejected as charlatans by Gnostics and others among the Pagan intelligentsia. The claim to divinity of the emperors (the assumption of "divine afflatus," as it was called) was an attempt by the decadent tryants of the failing empire to steal the prestige associated with the telestai, the initiates in the Mysteries; and, to a certain extent, to imitate Alexander the Great, who was the first to attempt this ploy. Constantine was extremely clever in seeing that he could not declare himself divine, but then he didn't have to, because there was a better option: instead of declaring himself a god, he aligned himself with the Christos, the god-man.

The decline of the Mystery Schools after the Augustan Era [29 BCE - 14 CE] was in part due to a massive popular demand for a kind of personal salvation that the Mysteries (being a transpersonal path) did not offer. This demand, in turn, was part of a general movement that arose at the turn of the Age, from Aries to Pisces, around 150 BCE. The Greek astronomer is credited with discovering precession around that time, but in fact, he only disclosed publicly what had been known to initiates for centuries. This disclosure had catastrophic results, because it produced in the masses a false sense of empowerment. The conviction that everyone had a personal fate that could be changed at will was a popular assumption of the time, due to a widespread misunderstanding of the meaning of precession (change in the stars: change of fate). The massive demand for a change of personal fate led to a "New Age" movement, baptism cults, a rage for conversion. The Mysteries were unable to respond to the rampant narcissism of the moment...

One huge factor in this upsurge of narcissism (self-concern) was the emergence in the collective unconscious of a numinous figure or role model for humanity. Eventually, the image of the god-man Jesus Christ was formulated to meet this need, but it did not really satisfy it. It is an inauthentic solution to the human need for a generic sense of humanity, a species identity. Nevertheless, the solution persisted, and, having become ingrown to human dignity, now presents an enormous obstacle to defining and realizing our generic sense of humanity.

In strict usage, the Gnostic Christos ought not to be equated with the Pauline Christ, the Incarnation, or the Joannine Christ, the Word Made Flesh.

    The confusion of the Gnostic Aeon Christos with the Christ of doctrinal Christianity is one of the greatest obstacles to a clear understanding of Gnostic cosmology and psycho-mythology.

The Aeon Christos who figures in the Gaia Mythos is not the same as Christ in Pauline-Joannine theology. It is completely wrong to attribute the qualities and powers of "Jesus the Christ" to that Aeon, that Pleromic entity. It is also incorrect to suppose that the true and original teachings of Christianity were Gnostic, and were transmitted by initiates who knew the true identity of the Aeon Christos, but then these teachings came to be twisted and muddled by lesser minds who siezed upon the illuminist message for personal and political gain. The doctrines concerning Christ, as constrasted to the illuminist message about Christos, were perverse from the outset. Christian doctrines of salvation and divine intervention cannot be salvaged by the argument that they contain the germ of true illuminist teachings. Not should they be, in my opinion.

Throughout this site Christos will be used in rigorous and deliberate distinction from Christ.

Radical Gnostic teaching denies that Christ is a superhuman agent, a redeemer sent by the Father God, once and once only. It denies the Incarnation, and challenges the claim that any human or superhuman being can represent humanity. No entity has that privilege. Gnostics taught the recognition of the Anthropos, primal precreated humanity, not Christ in the conventional sense. And Christ does not represent the Anthropos. Humanity as a species represents the Anthropos, but no single entity represents humanity.

Christos in the Pauline cult was derived from the Messiah of Zaddikim ideology: it is a superhuman standard, associated with a deviant and inauthentic model of human potential. The sectarian ideal of Tzaddik implies a formula of absolute righteousness that cannot be judged by human standards. The particular spin of Tzaddik is the demand that humans be held to a superhuman criterion, a model of perfection that originates beyond life on Earth. Since it is impossible to meet this standard, the destruction of humankind is required, yet those who have been faithful to Tzaddik, although falling short of it, will be supernaturally restored to life in an afterworld provided by the Father God.

The diabolical logic of the Qumranic sectarians was carried over intact into Christianity, and the model of supernatural perfection transferred to the figure of Jesus Christ. Today devout Christians believe that JC presents an unattainable ideal — he was, after all, divine before he was human — but in the very act of striving for the impossible we better ourselves as human beings. The imitatio Christi is considered to be a perfectly logical ideal, and, because the operative belief here involves a superhuman being, the ideal has a potent preclusive effect: considering how we might live up to an impossible model, we tend to ignore and discount models that show us what is really possible for our species. In other words the superhuman ideal, although it seems to elevate our sense of human potential, actualy impedes our ability to self-actualize (in Maslovian terms). It cripples our evolutionary development, even as if seems to inspire us to the highest levels of moral and spiritual attainment.

Gnostics recognized that the superhuman ideal of Tzaddik, transferred into the figure of the Divine Redeemer, actually works against humanity's efforts at self-actualization. This erroneous spiritual ideal defeats our true spiritual potential, our capacity to develop the wisdom endowment of nous, divine intelligence. Gnostics attributed this thwarting affect to the scheming of the Archons who insinuate a false ideal in our minds, thus obscuring our innate sense of the true potential of our species.

In the Sophia Mythos, Christos is the Aeon of the Pleroma often coupled with Sophia. In one version of the myth, Christos and Sophia are paired in the Pleroma, making a syzygy, a divine dyad. They are said to emanate the Anthropos, the template for humanity. Hence they are a version of the divine parents (twinned). My retelling of Gnostic cosmology in the Gaia Mythos uses this motif.

In a further development of the Mythos, Sophia is said to have been unable to manage the rampant life-forms that emerged and swarmed over her body once she metamorphosed into the living planet, Earth. Looking on from the galactic rore, the Pleromic gods responded by sending the Aeon Christos into the chaotic matrix of the biosphere. The paraphrase of this episode found in Irenaeus says that Christos "imparted a figure" to Sophia, thus allowing her to bring the rampant species into order. Today we would say that Christos "configured" for Sophia the instinctive intelligence of the myriad species, so that they could become self-sufficient, each type of animal life following its own innate biological program.

The intervention of the Aeon Christos had effects for the entire biosphere, and affected the human species in a particular way as well. See Mijotes.

http://www.metahistory.org/LEX/lexicon_C.php

I know this is a lot of information, but I spent about 4 years studying this stuff.  Jordan Maxwell dedicated 40 years to decoding the occult, Micheal Tsarion carried on his work, John Lash learned from many sources, he is called the successor to Joseph Campell.

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Compost Pile / Forum activity at an all time low?
« on: January 04, 2014, 02:41:47 PM »
I've been noticing this with this forum and with other ones like this.  I don't post on DMT-Nexus, but I quickly checked and can't tell if there more posting activity as I just lurk there once in a while.  Although I read a message of a bunch of new subscribers coming.

My guess is that these days we have lots more lurkers (people who read but don't post).  Even in the non-health related forums such as music forums that I frequent I see forum activity at a low.

I'm not so interested in taking these substances anymore, but more into the awareness of media reports as this article has been posted on ibogaine

My Interview With The World’s Youngest Ibogaine Provider
DEC. 26, 2013
By KRISTY ANN MUNIZ   
http://thoughtcatalog.com/kristy-ann-muniz/2013/12/my-interview-with-the-worlds-youngest-ibogaine-provider/

is a viral posting as I've seen it posted by people on Facebook that normally wouldn't seem interested in such a topic.  Which shows....



Source: Viral News Chart

And on Ayahuasca, if you search it on Google you will hit Taylor Marie's video on the front page which I posted a thread on her ibogaine experience and links.

So apparently there seems to be more interest but less discussion, meaning we could be having an influx of lurkers out there.

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Diet & Recipes / Re: Magnesium
« on: December 29, 2013, 12:25:24 AM »
I've taken the majority of kinds of magnesium in a multivitamin supplement, now there's a new version called:

magnesium-L-threonate

which has some novel neuro-repairative effects in people with Alzheimer.

skinny
 

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Eboka Talk / Re: Any lesser-known benefits of iboga(ine)?
« on: December 12, 2013, 03:30:00 AM »
All this of course, has to be nonesense to a materialist like Richard Dawkins, and by training, most scientists studying iboga/ibogaine. The research on the physical improvements related to iboga is fascinating nonetheless and I bet we will see any more benefits proven in future research. Yet as with phenomena like this, I bet that many benefits for each individual will not be provable through repetition in the lab. So someone like Dawkins would see the phone story above as mere coincidence and 'Darwinian selection of thoughts' or something, which I can understand.

You have to read up on Dawkins or be familiar with his lectures to understand him.  Dawkins is one of those scientist that puts in a lot of hard work.  He basically expounds on Darwin's Origin of the Species and many of his innovative ideas have been adopted in culture today.  In the Selfish Gene, he introduces the concept of a 'meme' something that is commonly used on the internet today to explain cultural phenomena.  In his later books he delves into the science of evolutionary biology which is a very strict discipline.  He's explaining the origins of life based on natural selection; he leaves out cosmology for the cosmologists since natural selection doesn't go back that far.

Two of his books deal with these sort of things, although I have not read them.  I like Dawkins as a lecturer rather than a writer, it's a difficult read even for myself:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancestor%27s_Tale
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Magic_of_Reality:_How_We_Know_What%27s_Really_True

Compare and contrast a evolutionary biologist with 30 years experience and a shaman that's been working with medicine for that long.  Both are disciplines that don't necessarily overlap.  Evolution deals with science, shamanism deals with the real/unreal (spirit world) and crossing over to explain what 'information' one gets out of it.  And the information isn't always so clear (what do the spirits want to tell us is the great mystery)

So I've seen people report that in their iboga trips they reported seeing the creation of life from the most simple lifeform into complex life forms over a long stretch of time.  That sounds fascinating, but how do how explain that to an average person?   You really can't, it's a subjective experience that one can relate in telling visions, encountering spirit guides, inner voice, etc.

But with evolution it is explained by studying the natural world, collecting evidence, forming hypothesis, corroborating evidence, formulating theories, writing scientific papers & books, discovering new evidence, falsifying theories, etc over and over until knowledge is refined.  Dawkins even states that about 100,000 years ago our ancestors came from Africa.  Scientist debate all the time over theories

A Bwiti shaman might tell you the same thing but in a different way, or someone in a flood may experience seeing it in visions.  But still translating those visions into words is almost indescribable.  A shaman thats been working with iboga for might have to navigate those realms for a long time, work with other shamans, and do a bunch of shamanic work...stuff I couldn't even begin to tell you what its like.

Something that was ascribed to Rene Descartes is applicable here:

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that the existence of an objective universe exterior to the mind is not objectively demonstrable, since the sensory perceptions upon which we rely as "evidence" of its existence are inherently subjective and unreliable

To me that is the conundrum of science crossing into spirituality, maybe it can and vice versa, and it seems that once psychedelic research is advanced like MAPS is doing, we can get a better grasp on that. 

So scientists fight all the time over whose ideas are more rational, well-supported...kinda like shamans do over their work.

But I'm rambling here, just wanted to give some of my insight.  And BTW Graham Hancock did ask Dawkins whether he would be open to take a psychoactive drug, and he said yes under proper medical supervision.  It would be fascinating for an organization like MAPS to do a clinical study on the best minds like him and see what they can report.

Graham Hancock questions Richard Dawkins on psychedelics and challenging his world view
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UwvaSLbIgc

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Eboka Talk / Re: The benefits of Iboga are so great, it sounds unrealistic
« on: December 11, 2013, 10:48:15 AM »
What do you guys think?

Like I said before, iboga is just a tool.  You can't live off eating bark and bark alone.  You need good food, air, exercise, forming good social networks, spiritual practices, [insert additional list]

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Edit: I forgot to ask. How long did you still make positive changes in habits because of ibogaine after a flood? In my case, up to about 4 or 5 months afterward I would still decide (and easily succeed) to make a change of habit because of ibogaine.

It took a process of 4 years since my first flood (and only flood).

Check back with us in another 4 and 5 months and tell us how you are doing.

thanks,
skinny

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Eboka Talk / Re: Any lesser-known benefits of iboga(ine)?
« on: December 11, 2013, 10:41:42 AM »
Holy God! We've got some impressive changes here! :o I surely did not expect that!

Thanks for sharing everyone.

Iboga isn't the only tool that can be used to heal brain damage, more research needs to be done on this by peer-reviewed scientific journals...although it seems very plausible based on preliminary research and anecdotes.    It is just one of the tools out of many:

Study Shows "Reversing Brain Damage" Among NFL Players is Possible With a Targeted Brain-Healthy Protocol; "One of the Most Exciting Discoveries in Medicine!"

According to Daniel G. Amen, M.D.
http://www.lef.org/news/LefDailyNews.htm?NewsID=18063&Section=Vitamins

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Eboka Talk / Re: Ibogaine and the olympics: anyone history saavy?
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:21:02 PM »
I know this is an old thread, but I shared this info another thread when it really belongs here if it is of interest to anyone.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ibogaine/ibogaine_timeline.php

Thanks for bringing this up.  A lot of people who take iboga are consumed with zeal to spread the message, start ibogaine clinics, treat other junkies detox, but don't realize the work of others who came before them.

I learned something new, some scientists isolated ibogaine.  Lambrene, I've heard of...prescribed for depression and wakefulness....and later it took Howard Lotsof, a young junkie, nearly 30 years to come up with clinical trials of ibogaine.  And some self-styled shamans think they can be a shaman by one trip...learn the lessons from history.  I believe in the concept of giving credit where credit is due.

Anyways for further reading, I highly recommend:

The Ibogaine Story: Report on the Staten Island Project
Copyright © 1995-1996, Paul De Rienzo, Dana Beal and Members of the Project
http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/Articles/IbogaineStory/index.html

It gives more detailed history on how ibogaine got popularized by key individuals in the USA.

There's a saying in the community that you "suffer for the medicine", and although I can't prove that, it seems to be true at least in my case and from what I read in other people's journeys.

Sorry I wasn't able to add more insight to the original post.

skinny


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Eboka Talk / Re: Testosterone Theory of Iboga
« on: December 05, 2013, 11:08:23 PM »
A bit too nitpicky if you ask me. Fine, it's a hypothesis. Whatever. I'm clearly not asserting this as fact.

Anyway, I'm not doing Iboga any time soon, so I'm not going to do this blood test. But thanks for making this one available; and I'm sure there are others if you just ask your doctor.

If you want to know something as a fact, you must confirm it by science.  Otherwise it is just your opinion.

And if you don't do a blood test, how do you know for sure whether iboga raises testosterone?  ... magical thinking?

There's a reason why I was being nitpicky.  Science takes hard work, it's relatively easy to eat iboga and come up with ideas (anecdotes and conjectures), but to prove it objectively takes science.

Carl Sagan had something important to say about this in The Bullshit Detection Kit.

skinny

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