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Title: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: JohnnyB.Goode on July 06, 2013, 03:19:29 PM
we all know that the one thing one must check for before doing iboga is

a heart condition called LQTS

as

LQTS is one of the suspected causes of FATAL interactions with iboga

what most people do not know

is that while one might not have genetic  LQTS and might  pass the EKG test

there are over 50 medications and foods that can causetemporary  LQTS in a person
including
Antihistamines and decongestants
Diuretics (pills that remove excess water from your body)
Antibiotics
Antidepressants
Cholesterol-lowering medicines and some diabetes medicines

in addition

Excessive diarrhea or vomiting that causes a major loss of potassium or sodium ions from the bloodstream may cause LQTS. The syndrome lasts until the levels of these ions in the blood return to normal. The eating disorder anorexia nervosa and certain thyroid disorders may cause a drop in potassium ion levels in the blood, causing LQTS. [/b]
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: kbud on July 06, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
good info..thank-you!
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: JackTripper on July 06, 2013, 05:09:59 PM
This is GREAT info to have. Thank you (as always) so much for Sharing JohnnyB.Goode
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: goatboy on July 06, 2013, 06:16:08 PM
Thanks for the info. What's the process like to check for that?
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: lalababa on July 06, 2013, 07:07:28 PM
Thanks for the info JBG!  So good to see you back here, it has been awhile.. You too Goatboy! :)

lala
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: JohnnyB.Goode on July 07, 2013, 03:05:34 AM
if one truly understands this
then some protocol changes might be order

as it seems the vomiting and diarrhea of a detox session
can cause a temporary LQTS


which then can become dangerous

so in addition to always checking that the person is not taking any food or meds that can cause LQTS

one should have potassium and sodium salts (rehydrant mix)
in case there is excessive vomiting or diarrhea
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: lbark on July 07, 2013, 02:23:40 PM
Did someone recently die from this condition while taking the root?

Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: Alexandra Lost on July 07, 2013, 03:53:43 PM

there are over 50 medications and foods that can causetemporary  LQTS in a person
including
Antihistamines and decongestants
Diuretics (pills that remove excess water from your body)
Antibiotics
Antidepressants
Cholesterol-lowering medicines and some diabetes medicines

Here's a couple of lists.......one of drugs that can definitely prolong QT interval, one of drugs that possibly can prolong QT interval and one of drugs that can prolong QT but only under certain conditions (overdose or interaction with other drugs).

Probably the most significant for this discussion is methadone which is listed as a definite.
http://www.azcert.org/medical-pros/drug-lists/bycategory.cfm#
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: Iboga Panacea on July 07, 2013, 06:24:56 PM
Quote
so in addition to always checking that the person is not taking any food or meds that can cause LQTS

one should have potassium and sodium salts (rehydrant mix)
in case there is excessive vomiting or diarrhea

What herbs in the form of tea or tinctures to accomplish this?  Smoothie mixes?  Or already prepared capsules?  Any ideas of what to have on hand? 
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: Calaquendi on July 07, 2013, 11:31:23 PM
Thanks JBG, always appreciate your input! There is a sticky  - http://eboka.info/index.php?topic=1087.0 - with some drugs commonly associated in prolonged QT interval syndrome. I think this thread of yours is prompting me to sticky it in a more populated and busier sub forum.

The more popular this medicine gets, the more some troubles will present, but also - the more opportunity for education and growth to move forward as safely as we can. Thanks again  :)
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: tragic3000 on July 13, 2013, 08:25:29 PM
What about having something on hand like Pedialyte ?  To be taken if vomiting or diarehha occur during treatment.

PEDIALYTE

Ingredients

Water, Dextrose. Less than 2% of the Following: Potassium Citrate, Sodium Chloride, Sodium Citrate, Citric Acid, and Zinc Gluconate.

PEDIALYTE PROVIDES (PER LITER): Osmolality, mOsm/kg H2O: 250; Sodium, mEq: 45; Potassium, mEq: 20; Chloride, mEq: 35; Zinc, mg: 7.8; Dextrose, g: 25; Calories: 100;
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: freedom on July 13, 2013, 09:56:08 PM
Can you still do the Iboga if you have an infection either inside the arm or knee? not a blood cloth or anything like a infection during post-surgery, but an infection where either an elbow or knee is swollen or swells up with any pshycal activity. I was assured as long as there is no blood cloth then it should not be an issue. As long as your heart and liver is healthy then an infection inside the knee isn't so much of a problem...

Didn't someone called Jason Sears pass away from skin infections during his Iboga session? how do skin infections differ from joint/elbow/knee infections? U have't read anything about arm or knee infections ruling out one as a candidate for Iboga as they do for skin infections.

If indeed a arm or knee infection can be an issue then how does Iboga affect this? I was led to believe only heart or liver and even brain tumor is contraindicated with Iboga, as Iboga travels to the brain and heart, therefore dislodge infections causing an embolism of some sort, but didn't think it affects an arm or knee?
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: JohnnyB.Goode on July 14, 2013, 02:38:38 AM
PEDIALYTE is perfect
it is what i meant by rehydrant
one can sip  it throughout the session
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: tragic3000 on July 14, 2013, 06:31:12 PM
PEDIALYTE is perfect
it is what i meant by rehydrant
one can sip  it throughout the session

I am planning on using it throughout my upcoming treatment. I think I will alternate between water, Pedialyte and gatorade.

Has anyone ever used IV fluids during a session? What they call a "banana bag" in the hospital.
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
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Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: jereme on August 02, 2013, 11:16:16 AM
This is so important. Heart failure is the main reason for sudden death while doing an iboga flood.The reality is that electrolytes are whats needed for your heart to pump. Without electrolytes heart arrhythmia is the result. Arrhythmia can lead to a torsade and that leads to sudden heart failure. Electrolytes assist in electrical signals sent to the heart for the muscles to contract and the heart to pump. The doctors in ICU told me because the dose of iboga I took was so big my electrolytes were depleted for 6 days. They were IVing electrolytes the whole time i was there and my body just kept flushing them out.  The blood tests verified it. The 10th day they sent me home on potassium and magnesium supplements. My case Is extreme but if u dont consume electrolytes before your flood your experience will turn into an extreme one too. I just want to mention that Iboga worked for me and its a God send. Its been 2 months and im clean after 9 yrs. Thank God for my sitter cause she helped me when i was helpless.   
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: Anita on December 16, 2013, 03:27:08 PM
I'm prepping for a flood in a couple of days and would be very grateful to know if someone who has been treated with XOLAIR for Asthma has done a flood and if they had any difficulties?
Thank you!
Anita
XOLAIR (Omalizumab) belongs to a group of medications known as antibody neutralizers. It is used to treat allergic asthma, a particular type of asthma that is triggered by allergens such as cat or dog dander, dust mites, or cockroaches. It is used to treat moderate to severe allergic asthma when inhaled corticosteroids are not providing adequate control. Allergic asthma causes the release of a chemical in the body called IgE (immunoglobulin E). Xolair works by blocking IgE
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: GratefulDad on July 10, 2015, 05:23:25 PM
Yeah alot has changed for me!  I got addicted again to percocet they put me on when I fell and broke my wrist after Furthur tour 2012.   I wanted to get clean and decided to flood.  It caused me to have cardiac arrest  I died for 35 minutes and now have brain damage from a dose of ibogaine.  I apparently had a long QT wave I didn't know about and it stopped my heart and it took 8 shocks with the paddles to  bring me back.  I was in a coma for 40 days  and they put me on methadone , both of which weakened my bones so when I stood up at the end of the bed I broke my left hip just standing. I went to visit my kids I fell and shattered my femur then while on leave from rehab I was pivoting wrong and broke my right hip!  I was non-weight bearing for 6 months last year.  But now I took up vaping instead of smoking cigarettes and my lungs are much clearer !  So I vape weed and I'm down to 1.25 mgs of methadone. They put me on 75 mgs while I was in my coma but I will be off in a couple weeks and I am actually feeling okay!  I never thought I'd be able to do it without ibogaine but I am almost there!
Title: Re: IBOGA FATALITY MYSTERY --- LQTS - WARNING
Post by: i are spectre on May 05, 2018, 12:50:17 AM
On top of a routine EKG and abstaining from medication that may increase QT, I suggest coconut water...

from http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/nut-and-seed-products/3115/2

minerals / ions in 1 quart / ~1 L coconut water
mineral    amt       %DV
Calcium    230.4mg    24%
Iron       2.8mg       16%
Magnesium    240.0mg    60%
Phosphorus    192.0mg    20%
Potassium    2400mg       68%
Sodium       1008mg       44%
Zinc       0.8mg       8%
Copper       0.4mg       20%
Manganese    1.2mg       68%
Selenium    9.6mcg       12%