Topic: Alternative plant sources for Ibogain

[lofty86]

Just thought id start a list feel free to add on 


Caranantheus roseus: both Ibogain & yohimbine found as minor alkaloids.

Jasminium didymum: Ibogain, Iboxygain in bark.

Tabernaemontana divicarta: Ibogain, & Ibogamine in root bark.

Tabernaemontana orientalis: Ibogain in leaf, stem, bark.

Tabernaemontana pubescence: ibogain,& voacangine in root bark.

Tabernaemontana quadrangulis: Ibogain, 20-hydroxyIbogamine in bark

Trachelosperum asiatic: Ibogain & Iboxygain in bark

Trachelosperum jasminoids (star jasmine): Ibogain & vobasine in bark.

[achtwan]

thats a nice start there....

[Stoney]

But are they present in enough concentration to do any good? Star jasmine, for example, has defied extraction by many fairly experienced people. Perhaps if you are a chemist you could do it. Voacanga africana, is said to contain some. I'm not sure if it is present in strong enough amounts. It does contain a number of interesting alkaloids. I've heard the leaves contain alkaloids but mainly in the seeds. Perhaps other parts too.

[lofty86]

But are they present in enough concentration to do any good? Star jasmine, for example, has defied extraction by many fairly experienced people. Perhaps if you are a chemist you could do it. Voacanga africana, is said to contain some. I'm not sure if it is present in strong enough amounts. It does contain a number of interesting alkaloids. I've heard the leaves contain alkaloids but mainly in the seeds. Perhaps other parts too.

probably not enough in the star jasmine for a raw ethanolic extract but heres an tech for those who are interested in chemistry

Extracting Ibogaine from Tabernanthe iboga and Trachelospermum jasminoides
http://www.lycaeum.org/leda/docs/16151.shtml?ID=16151

[Stoney]

I've seen those papers before. It seems that only about 1 or 2 parts in 10,000 of starting material will turn out to be ibogaine in the star jasmine. It just does not seem worth it.

[rho]

I've tried extracting around a kg of star jasmine arial parts by alternately boiling and freezing it in 5 % vinegar, then basing the liquid to precip. The precip was then dried and extracted into acetone, which retrieved essentially nothing. All ibogamine related alkaloid freebases are acetone soluble I think, so it seems there weren't any in there. I could have made a mistake somewhere, but most of my chemistry projects are successful. As for the other plants, I think they are medicinal in their own right, but I doubt any other species are a useful source of ibogaine. I wish there were others, but I haven't even seen any strong positive results from T. orientalis yet, and that one seems to be the most promising of all. Maybe people are just keeping it a secret? I believe its best just to get iboga rootbark.

[lofty86]

A lot of it tends to depend on where your growing your plants, in there natural climate there rich in alkaloids trying to grow tropical plants in the northern hemisphere might be where a lot of people are going wrong for starters.
One of the reasons I started this list is the new model drug scheduals currently being passed through the Australian government which is criminalising the possesion of over 100 plants Iboga being one of them I thought at least the ozzys might be  interested in alternative plant sources seeing as you soon could now be imprisoned for growing taberanthe Iboga.

And hey if it takes a post graduate in medicinal chemistry to isolate the Ibogain so be it Id rather be sourcing from some one who knew what they were doing rather than a dodgy basement shaman (as pure as there intentions may be)

Oh and rho there is quite a lot of work being done whith T.orientalis In NQ Aus where it is a native and has been employed as a visionary tool and medicine by the Indiginous people for thousands of years

[shambhu]

Any experience with tabernaemontana elegans ? Got one, want to know what to expect

[PsilocybeChild]

So lets add Tabernanthe iboga (iboga) to that list for comparison. And Voacanga a. is probably of interest. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

• Tabernanthe iboga (Iboga): ibogaine, ibogamine, coronaridine, tabernanthine, dihydroxyibogamine, voacangine, ibogaline, and catharanthine.

• Caranantheus roseus: both Ibogain & yohimbine found as minor alkaloids.
• Jasminium didymum: Ibogain, Iboxygain in bark.
• Tabernaemontana divicarta: Ibogain, & Ibogamine in root bark.
• Tabernaemontana orientalis: Ibogain in leaf, stem, bark.
• Tabernaemontana pubescence: ibogain,& voacangine in root bark.
• Tabernaemontana quadrangulis: Ibogain, 20-hydroxyIbogamine in bark
• Trachelosperum asiatic: Ibogain & Iboxygain in bark
• Trachelosperum jasminoids (star jasmine): Ibogain & vobasine in bark.
• Voacanga africana: voacangine, 3-oxovoacangine, voacristine, and (7?)-voacangine hydroxyindolenine

[insomnia]

Its sad to see this section of the forum not get much traffic..
No one here grows Iboga related plants anymore? :,(

Anyway, here is a couple others. I dont have the alkaloids, and their percentages, but here is a list at least.
I will add more info later

Tabernaemontana sananho
Tabernaemontana coffeoides
Tabernaemontana undulata
Tabernaemontana dichotoma
Tabernaemontana crassa
Tabernaemontana africana (voacangine)
Ervatamia yunnanensis [syn. Tabernaemontana corymbosa] (voacangine)

[insomnia]

For some reason I cant edit my last post right now?

but here is another,
Stemmadenia donnell-smithii (Isovoacangine)

[insomnia]

Tabernaemontana australis [syn. Peschiera australis] (Coronaridine)
Conopharyngia durissima
Tabernaemontana hystrix (ibogamine, olivacine, affinine, affinisine and Nb-methylaffinisine)
Tabernaemontana catharinensis (coronadine, voacangine)

[WisdomSeeker]

One rare plant that seemingly gets no attention but I very relevant to this list is Tabernanthe elliptica. It has not only probably some interesting alkaloids but it is also closely related enough to cross with iboga. It could be the answer to a future gene pool problem if iboga gets closer to extinction in its native lands. Also it has a cool looking spiky fruit pod.

I'd love to trade for one if anyone out there has this plant. Lots of rare stuff I could offer...

Also Tabernaemontana sanaho is a good addition to this list due to its possibility of similar alkaloids.

 Peace

[WisdomSeeker]

Sorry T. sanaho was mentioned missed that.