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OdysseyIII:
Hey all,

I'm getting ready to start macrodosing RB powder for depression and anxiety. Not addiction or PTSD, so I don't think I need a flood, even if I COULD afford the time off to do it with a provider.

Trying to be as safe as possible, I have a couple of questions before I start:

Do I really need to get an EKG and liver panel for microdosing?  I've never had heart or liver issues, I'm in excellent PHYSICAL health.

I quit Cymbalta (tapered down for a week from 30mg), Adderall (15mg) and ambien (0.125mg) four days ago, is that long enough of a dry-out period?

I'm still taking small amounts of kava and kratom (plain leaf) because otherwise, I wouldn't be able to function. I also cut alcohol back to 2 drinks a night (from 4-5), but won't have any the night(s) before.   Will any of those be a problem?  I've seen conflicting information.

I had phenibut today (only take it once a week), how long does that need to be out of the system?

Will I be able to work while microdosing?

Thanks in advance for any and all responses. 

BlueTiger:
Welcome OdysseyIII

You are not addicted, but you sure are on a lot of items.  Better to wait two weeks with the amps, so maybe at least another week for you.  Kratom is tough, I flooded for Kratom and it does not really block anything.  The experience was one of the worst I have ever had..nothing like the previous floods for fast acting, like vicodin. 

MDing and a good heart you should be fine. 

If I am you, I would wait one more week and not take any Kratom. 
Kava is also very hard on the liver so I definitely would avoid it as well. 

And you may not be able to work while MDing.  This is the father we are talking about. 
At first it will likely be fine, however, if you do it daily then  the accumulation will inevitably take you beyond a tipping point.  If you ate a gram of RB a day, you'd likely feel something by day 3 or 4 (but tough to tell with varying biochemistry). 

Again, welcome and feel free to message me if you rather anytime.  Peace. 

RhythmSpring:
You might be addicted if you need kava and kratom to function. It's not a bad thing, it's just a physical dependency.

If you want to get the most insight out of your iboga, you have to stop "functioning," whatever that is (don't die) going into the iboga space. It is possible that whatever you consider as functioning could be the wrong path (making your anxiety worse) for you. Iboga will help you figure that out.

RhythmSpring:
So yeah, BlueTiger and I are on the same page. Quit Kava and Kratom well before introducing iboga.

And do your research on the half-lives of your other meds.

OdysseyIII:
Thanks for hearing me out, y'all!

I was planning to start at 100mg for the first dose and see how I respond before increasing.

No, I'm not physically addicted to any one substance. I think I have an addictive mindset, convincing myself I can't sleep without valerian, melatonin and ambien.
And that I can't be social without a few drinks or phenibut or VERY rarely, a little white line.
And that I can't have sex without tongkat ali and sildenifil.
And that I can't release anxiety without a drink or kava.
And that I can't feel anything other than sadness without kratom, even if it's only for a few hours.   

To summarize, I just don't care anymore. About anything; parenting, sex, music, beauty, nature, vacations, food. The only reason I'm still around is because my tween daughter needs her dad. I won't give up. I'm hoping the iboga can help me correct all that. Seems like I've tried everything else, SSRIs, SNRIs, tricyclics, MAOIs, antipsychotics, benzos, CBD, lots of herbs, nootropics, etc (I've been at this a LONG time.)  I even had THREE series of ketamine infusions and got nothing out of them other than a few hours of legalized tripping.

None of my current "tools" have a very long half-life. Am I missing something about metabolization? ("Damn it, Jim! I'm a musician, not a doctor!") The half life of adderall (not XR) is ~10 hours and the last dose I took five days ago was only 7.5mg. I never took more than 30mg a day, which was rare, and always split in two.  This last week, I get sleepy mid-morning and late afternoon without it. Can't use caffeine because it causes more anxiety.
 
I guess my wording on the kava and kratom was a bit dramatic; I don't NEED them to function, it's just that without them I'm even more of a depressed and/or anxious mess. I've convinced myself that I can't get by without them.  (Sometimes I think I'm more addicted to the morning and afternoon process of toss n washing than I am to the chemicals themselves.) I'm only taking 8-10g of kratom a day (six days a week), MUCH lower than the folks on the r/quittingkratom subreddit. 

Also, I have ZERO spirituality so I'm worried that iboga won't work for me if I don't understand the sacredness of the plant. At least that's what I've read on a lot of iboga sites.

Other than all that, I'm pretty healthy. I go to the gym, get regular blood labs and checkups, I don't eat sugar or grains, drink plenty of water.  I don't have a reason for taking care of my body, mind you (well, maybe vanity), it's just another habit.

Thanks again for listening.

 

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