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Introductions / Re: -= Howdy =-
« on: January 10, 2013, 10:14:52 PM »
Thanks again, Cal!

I've been in the process of moving and the general madness of life, but things are settling now so I should be able to post more and finally break out of the Introduction and Muse sections. Watch out.

That never really happened, I'm sorry.

It's been a bout a year and half since I've come around. I don't have a real reason for why I was gone. My life has been well enough. Though for the time being I have decided not to pursue iboga and shamanism as directly as when I first introduced myself, but these are matters I am still very interested in. I'm quite happy to see that many of you still here!

So howdy once more.


Introductions / Re: Sup fellas
« on: January 10, 2013, 07:38:24 PM »
Hey Slimmy,

Welcome! Which is sort of weird for me to say because I never had much of a presence here and this is my first post in ages, but just the same!

Thank you very much for sharing about yourself and I am sorry to hear of your struggles. I wish you the best.

Here are my thoughts on your situation:

First, I feel somewhat obligated to mention that I have always heard caution surrounding the use of hallucinogens by people with even a family history of mental disorders but especially those who have been diagnosed themselves. The belief is that psychoactives are liable to bring on conditions once latent or exacerbate those pre-existing. However, while I have often heard this from many sources, I am unaware of any scientific literature to support it. This does not mean it does not exist. I just don't know of any in specific research and I am not an expert. Regardless, I would still suggest giving some credence to these warnings when assessing the risks of a psychedelic treatment plan.

Secondly, while this is a place focused on discussing the uses of iboga and its constituents, perhaps this substance is not best suited to what you seek. Ibogaine is certainly lauded for its intensity and prospective spiritual and curative properties, but it is also carries the potential for serious side effects. In particular when it comes to contradictions with other drugs being in the body. That being said, you are currently being administered a relatively high dose of a very long acting anti-psychotic agent.  Again, I am no expert on the interactions between Invega (paliperidone) and iboga alkaloids (I would be weary of anyone who claimed to be), but I am rather confident that quite often anti-psychotics and psychedelics work in conflicting manners.  Whether that results in them canceling each other out or creating a health risk I am not so apt to speak on, but I will say there is reason to believe that those two classes of drugs do not play nicely together as a general rule.

If you were to be completely set in the notion of using entheogens as a treatment or in any other regard,  I would very strongly suggest you be gradually taken off your current medication and then consider a compound other than ibogaine. I wouldn't really feel responsible being the one to say what could take its place, but I am sure with enough research and consideration you may make your own decision on something much more safe and suitable.

I know my opinions may seem disappointing in the light of your own discoveries and research, but as I am sure any reputable member of this forum will tell you: these tools are very powerful, and as incredible as they may be, they command a great deal of respect and care to keep from being disastrous. I am not by any means saying you lack the care or the respect to wield them, I just ask you always take this into consideration when exploring these worlds.

On a side note, I am into underground hip-hop myself. Mos Def's "The New Danger" is one of my favorite albums. Who else do you listen to?

Anyways, I have gone on long enough. Like I said, I wish you the best, sir, and I hope that my thoughts may be of some use to you.

All be well.

General Discussion / -= SLEEP =-
« on: August 02, 2011, 11:01:06 AM »
I watched this talk last night and considered it to be some valuable information worth sharing. I skipped the Q & A section at the end so if anyone has the full hour to dedicate to the whole thing let me know if that was a mistake. But c'mon, this guy's name is actually Dr. Dement, and he has studied sleep more than any other human being I am aware of, so you should watch this!

I was surprised he did not address the question of why we sleep at all. Also I was very curious as to how stimulants work with his models and if these interactions are type specific or general.

More than just this one video I would like to open this thread up as a general discussion on the subject of sleep and maybe even dreams if that hasn't been covered too much already.

But why do you think we sleep? What role does sleep play in your life?

I know in high school I could stay awake for days on in with no problem or chemical assistance then fall asleep for two or three hours and be raring to go. Sleep seemed to have very little impact on my waking consciousness. Then in the beginning college I discovered the joy of sleep. My dreams became very vivid and powerful so whenever I fell asleep really neat shit would happen in my head. I began experimenting with lucid dreaming, but never got very far. That honeymoon period only lasted so long, but my body's demand for sleep has greatly increased over the past few years. Most days it seems that I need AT LEAST 8 hours to be functional, and can easily go for 10 to 11 yet still feel very tired upon waking. I think Dr. Dement's theory of sleep debt helped me make some sense of this, and plus I am returning to regular exercise and healthier eating so I am hoping to make sleep a more productive and enjoyable activity.

In the last year I've also encountered a phenomena new to me in which I wake up and my dream persists for about 30 seconds to a minute. They all seem to be anxiety related, both in the content of the dream and the trigger that brings them on in my waking life. However, they seem pretty cool to me despite how scary they are at the time because of how wild the imagery and notions can be and it is a new type of experience for me. I can go into more detail for those interested, but for now...

Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Sleep

Introductions / Re: -= Howdy =-
« on: August 02, 2011, 10:17:46 AM »
Thanks again, Cal!

I've been in the process of moving and the general madness of life, but things are settling now so I should be able to post more and finally break out of the Introduction and Muse sections. Watch out.

The Muse / -= Kimya Dawson & Aesop Rock - Walk like Thunder =-
« on: July 16, 2011, 11:58:58 PM »
This is one of my favorite songs. I've been playing it a lot lately, and feel like I should share. Beautiful and inspiring.

If you haven't heard either of these people before then you are truly missing out on some world class artistic genius.


Eboka Talk / Re: Border Line personality
« on: July 04, 2011, 01:19:20 PM »
I wrote this short paper for class at the end of last year. I post it now in hopes that you and your husband may get an impression of this treatment that I think could be helpful. I'm no expert on the subject, but if you are interested I could help you discover more about it. Also I would like to make it clear that these statements pertain to the disorder itself and not your husband personally, so please forgive any potentially upsetting material.

-= DBT for BPD =-

Borderline personality disorder (BPD) is a description that can quite easily suffer from dire misinterpretation. The title should not imply that the individual is on the “borderline” of being almost disordered. It is quite the opposite in what I consider to be perhaps the most severe of all of the personality disorders. BPD is a very serious affliction where the personality of the individual is that of someone who is on the” borderline” of sanity or life itself. An individual with BPD has significantly unstable moods in addition to very black and white thinking that very often lead to chaotic interpersonal relationships, self-concepts, and behavior. Suicidal tendencies and self-harming are prominent enough amongst BPD suffers that both are included in the criteria for the condition by the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (American Psychiatric Association [DSM-IV-TR], 2000). Not only is it misleading, but some members of the concerned community feel that the name borderline personality disorder projects too much stigmatization to be helpful to those that have it (Porr, 2001). Unfortunately even without semantic setbacks personality disorders in general, and BPD in particular, are notoriously difficult to provide treatment for. However, recently it appears that a breakthrough has been made in managing BPD, and the origins of this breakthrough are rather humbling.
Not so recently German philosopher Georg Wilhelm Fredrich Hegel (1770-1831) argued the fundamental issues of the universe. It took the altered logic of nitrous oxide intoxication for William James to appreciate the work of Hegel (James, 1882). Even the piercing whit of Bertrand Russell considered Hegel to be one of the most difficult reads of all the great philosophers throughout history (Russell, 1945). However, this did not stop young American psychologist Marsha M. Linehan from extracting Hegelian principle and applying it to the ambitious task of treating borderline personality disorder. The principle at hand is dialectics and Cindy Sanderson of Behavioral Tech (2008) outlines what that means:

“Dialectics” involves several assumptions about the nature of reality:

- Everything is connected to everything else
- Change is constant and inevitable
- Opposites can be integrated to form a closer approximation of the truth (which is always evolving)(pp. 5)

The popular, yet slightly inaccurate, handling of Hegelian dialectics is demonstrated in the triad: thesis-> antithesis-> synthesis.  The thesis is an intellectual proposition, the antithesis is the negation of the proposition, but closer to the truth than either is the synthesis which is the reconciliation of the two. To stay true to Hegel it is important to appreciate the intrinsic nature of contradictions within everything (Kaufmann, 1966). This philosophy was taken by Linehan to create a paradigm that emphasizes both acceptance and change simultaneously to give way to dialectic behavioral therapy (DBT).

In the treatment of patients with BPD Linehan noticed a number of issues, but most concerning was that the widely used and effective method of cognitive behavioral therapy (CBT) was not working. There was significant dissonance between practitioners and their patients. CBT’s focus on change created an atmosphere for individuals with BPD where they felt that their distress and concerns were underappreciated and ill-understood. This resulted in patients being uncooperative or removing themselves from treatment all together. Unable to admit that they were operating within the wrong framework, therapists largely took this as a sign that suffers of BPD were rendered helpless through their own obstinate nature. Linehan, however, made the breakthrough decision that rather than giving up on BDP we should take a step back from traditional CBT instead. In 1993 Linehan and her colleges took a discerning eye to the issues that created BDP and opened themselves to a multidisciplinary approach to solving these issues. The product of that, again, is dialectic behavioral therapy. DBT is not a total departure from CBT; it is more of a specified strain that has been supplemented with effectively chosen philosophical and spiritual ideals. Though DBT borrows from the tenants of Hegel, Zen Buddhism, and western contemplative practices, as a whole it is neutral in regard to where these ideas came from. It is not necessary a patient being treated with DBT have any particular philosophical or spiritual alignment.

DBT views BPD or self-destructive behavior in general as the corollary of emotional vulnerability and an invalidating environment. Emotional vulnerability is an aspect of temperament in which emotional responses are often rapid, potent, and out-of-control. An invalidating environment is one that does not naturally offer an individual acceptance, understanding, or respect. The interplay between the two factors is believed to go like this: the injustices of the invalidating environment provoke the emotionally vulnerable response. It is only in this harmed or harmful state that the individual receives the attention or care that they have sought all along so it is unconsciously conditioned. When self-destructive behavior becomes the primary coping mechanism for the individual the result is borderline personality disorder (Sanderson, 2008).

Dialectic behavioral therapy has four main goals and subsets of each when treating borderline personality disorder. The first goal is to place the individual in a position of better control over their own behavior.  Within this the first and most paramount objective is to reduce and then remove suicidal tendencies and self-harming behaviors. The next step is the reduction and subsequent elimination  of behaviors that interfere with the treatment. From there the target becomes behaviors that interfere with the individual’s enjoyment of life. After the eradication of harmful aspects the procedure then focusing on adding positive behavioral skills. The second major goal for DBT is to increase the emotional healthiness of the individual. Goal number three seeks to stabilize the patient into ordinary life habits and equip them with the appropriate problem solving skills. The final goal is assure contention and a feeling of connectedness with the patient and their life (Dimeff & Linehan, 2001). These primary four goals are complimented by four primary skill sets utilized to achieve them: mindfulness, interpersonal effectiveness, emotional regulation, distress tolerance. DBT teaches the individual to have heightened awareness of their situations. In doing so they must also learn to remove their judgments from their assessments of what is occurring to avoid being overwhelmed by emotion. Radical acceptance is pivotal on both sides of the treatment. The therapist and their patients must accept themselves and their situations. In doing so healthy techniques for managing and surviving the pain that may go along with this are implemented.

This platform provides a powerful antidote to some of the toughest issues that face the human condition. Not only is DBT applied to BPD but also individuals with multiple disorders, un-diagnosed suicidal tendencies, and substance abuse problems as well. Across the board research has shown DBT to be efficacious and a definite improvement over using CBT for these scenarios (Dimeff & Linehan, 2001). The timing of the DBT breakthrough is rather sensible. BPD did not get its own distinct diagnoses until 1980 with the release of the DSM III. This is also a condition that affects primarily women so it has to be a modern context to take it seriously. CBT was at an age where it was prime to push this issue to the precipice where change occurs. CBT was young, but not too young to be easily dismissed, and it was popular yet not so established that no one would challenge it just enough so that most wouldn’t. Perhaps it should also be considered that the attitude of the 90s was one that was somewhat critical of the decadency of the 80s. So BPD like behavior could have gone unnoticed the previous decade, but around the time of DBT we were all hypersensitive to it. Regardless of the climate that brought DBT about I still see it as an important contribution to bettering people’s lives and as a valuable lesson to scientists to self-analyze and explore the potentials of other fields.

The Muse / Re: -= Notes from Class =- (Sketchbook-ery)
« on: July 04, 2011, 12:32:58 PM »
Quite the flattering comparison! Thank you both so much!

The Muse / Re: -= $15 =-
« on: July 04, 2011, 12:18:36 PM »

Thank you very much

The Muse / -= $15 =-
« on: July 04, 2011, 03:21:55 AM »
There will be no rest for my poor soul until there is no more.

This is brutal.
This is savage, because this does not make sense.

The minD

is             s t r   e      t        c              h                              e                                     d

into          existence
when trying to wrap itself around this.

The machinery that is left behind has no name.
It is abstract to a point in which we have no other choice but to call it infinite.

.    .    .

This is a god damn octopus in the matrix.
Jesus Christ in the beehive.
A footnote gone ring side.

This is a rickshaw race down
                                     unending subway tunnels and stations.
                                        Juxtaposed adjacent to the crush that folds the fulcrum.

Hollering like a prophet talking in bottle rockets
with Polygamy sPilling out the bullPen.
Thunder rolls over the flatlands

.   .    .   .    .   .
These homes are hollow now.
Their shingles scowl at each other from miles away
If they only knew the armagedon brewing in the basement

It's irreplaceable, really.
We lost half the stock sleep walking.
Woke to a badly butchered Narwhal and a soggy carpet.
Oddball arson in the shade of the razor's edge.
A crooked surrender's descendant of the looking glass.
A whooping crane on laughing gas.
And Goodness fell from Grace
Took the place of sovereign Skullduggery.
A run-on-death-sentence that left you guessing in the end like
... what?

I watched the wind kill a man over fifteen dollars yesterday.
I ask

"Who will walk the streets now?"
And, "What have our questions become?"
I rest my head and whisper

…"Let's hide in here."

The Muse / -= Notes from Class =- (Sketchbook-ery)
« on: July 04, 2011, 02:45:14 AM »
A lot of these exist in artistic purgatory-- they aren't finished and probably never will be, but should still get their points across.

Enjoy! Ask questions if need be. Feelings won't be hurt. A lot of times people look at my art and see shit completely different than what I do.

I have heard wonderful things about Dimitri, but not so wonderful things about this documentary. Still I'll have to see and decide for myself. I'm surprised no one on here has seen it.

Introductions / Re: -= Howdy =-
« on: July 04, 2011, 02:06:06 AM »
Represent and thank you for the welcome and the gracious talky talk offer-I will surely take you up on that!

I also do not intend to sound rude or insensitive in any way, but you shouldn't have to worry about too much noobery from me. I'm a read first, ask questions later type of guy for the most part. That sweeping yet vague request for information was more of general intentions sort of thing rather than an actual question I was fielding towards the forum. Sorry if I fumbled that, but just the same, if you or anyone else reads that and something comes to mind, fuck it, go ahead and share if you're up for it.

Introductions / -= Howdy =-
« on: July 03, 2011, 11:14:45 PM »
My name is Maxim. You may call me Max, ' Monsters, or whatever's clever.

I come to you all as a humble seeker of knowledge.

I have never done ibogaine. I have never had a substance addiction. I am both physically & mentally well and have been nearly all my life. I am here by the graces of Calaquendi, and I am here because I wish to be a part of this community and learn the way of iboga.
In May I finished my degree of psychology with a minor in biology, but I think I could be a damn good shaman one day. So that's what I'm doing, and I see ibogaine as the way. I have been reaching out, so please, any information in regards to the process, experience, implications, whatever of being an ibogaine treatment provider do share directly or send me a pm or the contact of someone I should speak to! So far the people I have spoken to are excellent. I've lurked a little and then went through the entire introduction section before posting this to get a sense of the place and it seems to be no exception to my experience thus far so thank you for having me.

More about me:

I am a pale white male from the Midwest. I have a buzzed head and a big beard. I am 22 years old and stand 6 feet 3 inches. I weigh roughly 230 pounds. I have no piercings or tattoos and the only scar I have is on my right wrist from smashing through a glass door when I was young.

I hate asparagus, fabric softener, and recycling.

I am a fan of poetry, video games, art, heavy machinery, independent hip-hop, philosophy, film, and cephalopods.

I almost always enclose threads and/ or titles with "-=  something =-", if that offends anyone I apologize in advance.

Feel free to ask any questions. I look forward to reading more and contributing to this forum.

Bests to all!

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