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Title: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on October 19, 2009, 04:17:18 PM
Hey all!! Wanting to have this posted here, this is reprinted from my vox post.

Hello dear list.

One week and one day later, I can write about this.
There is SO much to convey, to report, I won't be able to share it all.
Layers upon layers upon layers of experiences, that continue to this moment
in calm and profound ways. I did the right thing.

I began preparations a week before, cutting out meats, focusing on things
I wanted to change in my life, intentionally introspective and self aware
to the best of my ability. All this time, I had the feeling that Iboga was
aware of me. I'll say this once, then just let it go: I'm reporting some
things that won't jibe with consensus reality. Nevertheless, they are real.
Think what you will.

The day before I was going to take the TA, I ate only vegetables, and had
my last cigarette in the evening. I'd been sober off alcohol for about,
well, you guys remember *blush* 4 weeks? I spent time in the jacuzzi,
relaxing and focusing, praying and meditating. I invited Iboga in
intentionally during a meditation. Interestingly, I felt acceptance, and my
visualization was intense. Felt like it wasn't self generated at all, and
included splitting me open at the middle (solar plexus? xyphoid process to
pubis?). I sealed and sent my intention with the energy generated by
orgasm, then with some trepidation, went to bed.

The next morning at 9am, I took a test dose of TA extract. I tolerated
this well and took a flood dose carefuly calculated for my height, weight,
gender and length of sobriety. This did not take me where I needed to go,
and so over time, in 300-400mg increments, I made it up to over 3 grams of
extract. Apparently I was a hard nut to crack. Two other people I have
spoken with used the same product and found it very potent, so that wasn't
the issue. (Wish I had boosters, though!!! Damn!).

At around 3?4? in the afternoon, I looked in the mirror across from the
bed and saw some people peeking around the corner of it-from the inside- to
check if I was ready. I called for a giant mouthful of plain yogurt, I was
craving it like mad, lay down, and went on a journey. :)
I threw up only twice, shortly after that, quickly and painlessly. I
suffered no prolonged nausea and no dry heaves.
My BP was strong the entire time, not much fluctuation from my normal
100/70. My pulse stayed at an average 56 beats. I was so incredibly
relaxed. Of course there were visuals. So many visuals I could not possibly
tell you all of them, as time was very different as well. I can tell you it
began with an eye, that saw me. A sense of myself having waited, maybe as
if in a queue, and I was finally seen, addressed. It was my turn.
I was matter of factly and sometimes with humor shown many, many things
about myself, and about the world. Much of my thinking was realigned, and
many old wounds were cleaned out. I also know very strongly that I will
take this journey again, that Iboga has more for me, and I for Iboga,
though I realize how presumptuous that sounds. I did indeed communicate
with my dead elders, remember that was one of my early questions? I also
think that my 20 some odd year history with meditation and visualization
and traditional magics were a boon, as was having been fairly sober except
for marijuana and a couple days of recreational darvocet for some weeks.
I also did Not want to be disturbed during the experience, and maybe came
across as bitchy in conveying that (sorry, dear husband!lol). I cried a few
times during, but it seemed that as soon as the emotion made it to my
mouth, I was onto healing the next thing.

I came around the next morning full of light. Or maybe just so clean
inside that my light was visible. If I didn't have a witness, it would be
almost hard to believe that my skin actually glowed. Light from within, I
was luminous. I was enamored of my hands, so pretty and soft, though I
didn't look in a mirror for three days. I didn't think of it.
I again went to the jacuzzi. I was able to sit lotus without a thought in
my head, not a thought! for ten minutes. This is actually amazing, lol. I
was and am so calm. I did not want a cigarette, a drink, nothing. I was
free of all wants, really. A perfectly lovely place to be.

My ovarian cysts have shrunk to the point of being no longer palpable.
This is down from 9cm and visible when I lay on my back. I no longer need
surgery for the moment.  My surgery was scheduled for 9/14. :)

I then dined on a brilliant plate of fruits. In little teeny tiny bites,
lol. Everything tasted divine. Interestingly, for most of my life I have
disliked fruit. Now, I've been to three farmer's markets in one week
because I can't get enough. I proceeded that same day to read 'The Easy Way
to Quit Smoking' (thanks to the wonderful human here who brought that to my
attention) and finished it. I've wanted a cigarette a couple times since,
but mostly out of boredom and when it's a habit (afetr eating, etc) nothing
I can't acknowledge away. :) I am not finding alcohol to be an issue any
longer. I'm not even thinking about it.
I made roast chicken and braised squash on the next night, with a simple
risotto. I needed a splash of wine for the risotto. The rest of the bottle
is still sitting in my house. It is a non-issue.

I also must say that emotions bubbled up after, and still are, but not in
the same way. For the first few days they came like puke or diarrhea. Not
that it was gross, but definitely was a purge, and there was NO stopping
it!!! Lol, walking down the street, getting sad about not seeing my beloved
grandmother one last time before she passed. Looking desperately for an
alley or hidey hole, because, man, I'm going to sob! After each cry,
though, I just felt bigger inside. Wider, more expansive. I now fully
inhabit my skin.
I can breathe into my feet, my breathe moves in me.
Also, in the past I have been buffeted by other people's emotions, I pick
up on them like a sponge, often to my detriment and confusion. This is
amazingly under control now. I am less porous, less...vulnerable? Yeah, but
less porous seems more accurate. I have not lost the ability to connect,
but it's a choice, and I can see whose emotions are whose. This is such an
unexpected gift, but just one of many.
I also look much younger, according to husband and dear friends. My face
feels so relaxed. There is less pain on it, to be sure.
I also am confirmed in needing to escape this darned day job! (In time, in
time)
There is so much more, but this is a decent brief.

I see many things clearly now, and am confirmed in my thinking on many
others.
I know I will be working with Iboga in some capacity, I have no idea how,
but I am confident about it.
I did the right thing.
I'm happy to talk about any part of this with anyone, here or off-list.

My very heartfelt thanks to Iboga, the place it grew, the hands that
harvested, the entities that got it from there to me, my husband for
sitting with me and everyone who has contributed to the movement and this
list.
Particular thanks to the individuals who have taken the time to talk with
me privately, and opened their hearts to me, giving me the gifts of their
time and attention.
It is my hope to be able to give back at least as much as I have been
given.

I am a different woman, or maybe just more profoundly and completely the
woman I've always been. ;)

Love and rockets,
Tia
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Calaquendi on October 19, 2009, 05:34:27 PM
Thank you for an excellent, honest report Tia. I was wondering when we'd have more 'testimonials'...

Everything you said, everything you experienced seems to me quintessentially iboga. The way you were emotionally 'raw' immediately after for a few days, I was impressed by this quality as well. I mean, here I am, a heavy-metal-head junkie - walking around sniffing flowers and balling like a schoolgirl. Amazing.

I think this touches on many important aspects of a session...pre, during and post. Thanks again for sharing!
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: fallout330 on October 19, 2009, 08:34:22 PM
Amazing to hear about the alcohol issue Bev.  That has been the most troublesome for me, so I do understand!  Peace!
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Eon T McKnight on October 20, 2009, 02:43:27 AM
Yes, Dear Tia,

A most wonderful post.  Happened to see it before and copied it to some friends.  Thought they might like to see where I'm planning to go...

Mucho Gratitude 2 You!

Eon
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on October 20, 2009, 01:59:08 PM
fallout:
Happy to report I'm still not drinking. I tried for two hard years, with tears and despair and sincerity, to quit.
I have had alcohol once since Iboga. I didn't blackout, didn't spend more than I had, didn't go off the deep end like I had in the past. It also didn't do for me what it once did, and I've not had the desire to pick it up again. When I think about it, I know it's not the right path, and I have a love for myself now, also an absence of disgust and shame, that makes it an easy choice. I can walk to the corner of my block any time day or night and get it, I just don't want to anymore. When I tried it, I was feeling spiteful and angry. It didn't help, and I knew it wouldn't ever again. I had to go through a little sadness at losing a 'friend', but I have worked through that and many other issues. (And I still am! Every day! lol)

Thanks for your comments, guys!
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: jimhadey3 on October 25, 2009, 02:31:36 PM

Hello,

That was one of the most successful Ibo stories that I have every hears.  It seems that everything you did was positive.  You were on a somewhat special diet, meditated, Invited Lady Iboga into your heart.  Then you quite drinking but you also changed your life.  You quit smoking and I can not see your letter here but you seemed to change your thinking. You say your skin changed and you look younger.  That is quite possible if you limit your stress and it sound like you eliminated quite a bit of....baggage .... yea baggage they call it now and clutter.  You have probably found that your home life is much better and happier.  Of all the things to strive for - gold, silver, being famous, etc. I would go for the happiness.  And you can help others when able.  Regardless or where you go and what you do you would definitely make the world a better place.  You did great, keep it up.  Just think to be successful all you have to do is help one person - just
one person and make the world a better place.  See, so simple.

Much Love,

  - JIM
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: fallout330 on October 25, 2009, 10:18:48 PM
Nice to hear your heartfelt and entertaining response, Jim! 

I seemed to have missed this last post Tia....great to hear your doing so well! 

Peace!
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on October 31, 2009, 07:49:37 PM
 ;D :D ::)

JIIIIM!!!!!!
HiHiHi!

Thank you so much for your words, and here I'll also publicly thank you for supporting me before and after Iboga. You are a loving, giving person and I am so very grateful to know you.

hugs and delight,
Tia
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni on February 13, 2010, 03:40:54 AM
fallout:
Happy to report I'm still not drinking. I tried for two hard years, with tears and despair and sincerity, to quit.
I have had alcohol once since Iboga. I didn't blackout, didn't spend more than I had, didn't go off the deep end like I had in the past. It also didn't do for me what it once did, and I've not had the desire to pick it up again. When I think about it, I know it's not the right path, and I have a love for myself now, also an absence of disgust and shame, that makes it an easy choice. I can walk to the corner of my block any time day or night and get it, I just don't want to anymore. When I tried it, I was feeling spiteful and angry. It didn't help, and I knew it wouldn't ever again. I had to go through a little sadness at losing a 'friend', but I have worked through that and many other issues. (And I still am! Every day! lol)

Thanks for your comments, guys!

Great to see you dealt with some stuff and are shinning bright' Bliss!




Warning' No drink alcohol after Iboga!

Alcohol floods the brain with natural endorphins knocking the Iboga alks off of the receptor sites'
It then proceeds to kill the height of Iboga so you miss much of the healing Iboga can bring'
It also hard-wires your NMDA receptors' you know the ones you just reset with Iboga alks' into learning through an alcohol haze and at a later date as of when the metabolites have diminished you shall go back to drinking alcohol!

Question?

If you got an issue with alcohol or any substance and you partake of Iboga alks to reset your brain pathways'
What are you doing drinking alcohol after initiation'

You just wasted 70% of what Iboga alks can do for you' and in my experience shall be back drinking or taking substances before very long'

Now I said this' you can go ahead and prove me in-correct'

But the object of partaking of initiation is to get a clean slate'

Why mess it all up with doing something you had little control over in the past' you done it now' as of when the metabolites diminish' drink shall raise it's ugly head on you again!

This no make any sense to me at all!

Blessings

Nobu +


P.S. Why did you drink alcohol after Iboga ? As of when there is need for no thing' and alcohol is non-conducive to the Iboga experience'

In Africa they drink moderate amounts alcohol with Iboga' cos the alcohol kills Iboga and enables folks to get some needed sleep' Upon arising the next day they proceed to eat small bits of Iboga of which wipes out the alcohol'

No substances after Iboga for 6-7 weeks' by this time your NMDA receptor responces shall be rewired away from learning through substances'
I see it as just a waste of time partaking Iboga alks then continuing as you have always done'

Your future must differ from your past in order for your future to be different'

I know I go on' but I see this all the time' folks go a few days with Iboga then proceed to kill it with alcohol or another choice substance even before the brain has had chance toi recover from the reasons for partaking of initiation'

+++


Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni on February 13, 2010, 09:11:27 AM


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The next morning at 9am, I took a test dose of TA extract. I tolerated
this well and took a flood dose carefully calculated for my height, weight,
gender and length of sobriety. This did not take me where I needed to go,
and so over time, in 300-400mg increments, I made it up to over 3 grams of
extract.

Quick question!
Was this an extract you partook of or a pharmacutical PTA (purified total alkaloid)?

I would advice giving it 5-6 weeks and then take the same dose again'

Blessings and light'

Nobu +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on February 28, 2010, 04:17:21 PM
Hey Nobu,
Well, you've got some vehemence there. For you, I will clarify. I took TA extract last July or August. I've since taken several forms of boosters. I feel fantastic, loving, strong, connected, introspective, alive and growing.
I have grown past alcoholism. It doesn't do what it once did, and is no longer attractive to me.
Also, I don't use Iboga to get high, I partake to stay connected. Iboga has a beautiful voice, and Iboga has an agenda. :)

I am in no danger of relapsing into alcoholism, because for me, it is cured.
Yes, I know what I am saying.

Thank you for your concern. May the universe return to you tenfold that which you give.

Love and muscles,
T
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on February 28, 2010, 04:53:15 PM
So you say' but why drink alcohol after Iboga' it no makes sence'

I see this all the time' folks say they wish to walk with Iboga then proceed to smash it up with choice substances'

The likes of LSD and alcohol MDMA and "Heroin"

Why ? is my question' why destroy of what Iboga could give you'

Who takes the bark of the tree of knowledge to ge high !! NO ONE DOES!!

Glad you got some healing from  this amzing plant' it is good to see folks taking their own healing into their hands'

I have no vemenence' what I do have in knowledge (treated over 200 folks with a 42 % success rate) and concerns and questions of why folkks wish to take other substances after Iboga!

Seeing as it is no conducive to the Iboga experience'

Many blessings love and light!

May Iboga mirror show yourself to yourself in all your ugliness and beauty'

Power and light'

Nganga Nobunoni +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on February 28, 2010, 05:09:25 PM
Vehemence means saying something with a lot of strength and conviction.

My simple answer to why is that the situation presented itself and I wanted to learn. This I have done and I am pleased with the knowledge gained.
I am not disconnected from Iboga, Nobu, no matter how strenuously you feel that I am.
I am proud that you have shared Iboga with over two hundred people with a 42% success rate. Is this your success rate, or Iboga's success rate?

I too pray the mirror shows me all sides, I am always looking and learning from what I see.
Thank you, Nobu. I learn from you.
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on February 28, 2010, 05:10:05 PM
P.S. I pulled you on you drinking alcohol after Iboga!

You can now get the where for all inside of yourself to prove me wrong for the rest of the time we know of each other'

Partaking of Iboga is an attempt at getting a clean slate' one of which you shall no get if you continue partaking of substances with or after Iboga therapy'

Quite simple really' I get this all the time' then folks tell me Iboga no worked' it shall no work if you continue as you have always done'

It be like the heroin addict that wishes to be clear of heroin but still use it ! They wish for both states of conciousness'

Great to see you have something to now work with'

Power to you'

Bliss!


Nobu +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on February 28, 2010, 05:12:58 PM
Shoot, one other thing. We all know that eating Iboga works just fine. But I shit you not, some people actually shoot it up and smoke it. Why do that? Bigger, better, faster, more. It's my opinion that to reach for that is also to turn away from what's really going on with one. That's what I meant by 'getting high' with iboga.
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on February 28, 2010, 05:16:35 PM
42% success rate. Is this your success rate, or Iboga's success rate?


Well I would say 50/50 the clients and me with Iboga'

I work alone' anything from 3-12 days at a time traveling all over the world and have been doing so for some 6 years now'

Many would no make it if I was no with them to coach and guide'

Pa' Iboga!

Bliss!

Nganga Nobunoni +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on February 28, 2010, 05:20:03 PM
Shoot, one other thing. We all know that eating Iboga works just fine. But I shit you not, some people actually shoot it up and smoke it. Why do that? Bigger, better, faster, more. It's my opinion that to reach for that is also to turn away from what's really going on with one. That's what I meant by 'getting high' with iboga.

Well it takes all kinds'

We all know that eating Iboga works just fine.

(this comment is un-educated' because without a guide a good 90% of folks would fail Iboga therapy' with no prior knowledge of Iboga' esspecialy if they use Iboga to kick opiates' the un-educated believe' cos they come back cold' that Iboga no worked' so just go back to using to kill the endorphine depletion' what they no realise is they have no pain psychologicaly or physicaly and no cravings' but talk themselves into using again)

All you get from hitting Iboga alks too hard is psychosis and "Self Truth" smashed in your face for 3 months!

I see no problem of smoking Iboga alks' I can see some minor problems from shooting it as Ibogaine is no water soluble'
But I can see no problem in mixing Iboga alks with oil and injecting it intra-muscular as you would a liquid steroid' it would work as a depot injection and last for a very very long time indeed' mix this with mega dose sodium ascorbate and even if you then took drugs they would have a great inability from binding to the receptors cos Ibogaine/12 hydroxy-ibogamine and sodium ascorbate has already got them covered' even a hit of heroin shall be almost no felt and shall be destroyed by the sodium ascorbate before it can reach the brain stem'

Blessings and Light'

Bliss!

Nobu +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on February 28, 2010, 05:28:13 PM
Ah, I am surely letting this discourse provoke me, and I'm not dropping it. Lordy. Nobu, I do not need to show you I won't drink. No need to set false goals for me, my path is not about showing Nobu i'm a good lil eboka eater, it's about learning, growing, loving and sharing. I truly have nothing to prove. I am deeply satisfied with the present and excited about the future. My path is my own, as is yours.

T
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on February 28, 2010, 05:39:51 PM
Great stuff' taking strenght from ones self achievements is such a perfect feeling that it would a SIN (if there is such a thing:) to smash it all up' and then have to work it all again' when it comes around again'

I am glad my post prickles you' cos it gives you strenght within your own convictions'

you see' doing this work is no just facilitating folks partaking of Iboga' it entails much psycho-spiritual reflections and manipulations and spiritual sand paper to get the client in the correct space to get max benefit from Iboga therapy'

I see so much it becomes tiring to hear folks fail through Iboga' and I am elaited and very happy that you are working with this amazing plant'

Much love and respect' it takes a lot of inner strenght to stand by ones own convivtions'

Power to your reflection as you see yourself looking at yourself veil-less'

Light in self knowledge'

Much love'

Nganga Nobunoni +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Calaquendi on February 28, 2010, 11:03:13 PM
Jesus Christ - you mean to tell me that people actually RUN ibogaine? WTF? I thought I was irresponsible!!!

That's all our communities need, some nitwit blowing an aneurysm from smoking or shooting ibogaine. Great press...

Nobu - I am curious what you think about taking other psychedelics after iboga. I don't mean immediately after, but what I gathered from the post above - you seem to lump LSD and MDMA in the mix with booze and heroin? As much as I learn from Wood, I haven't considered it dangerous or counterproductive to use other entheogens or psychedelics in the months or years after washing myself with iboga..maybe it's all in the intention? I can see why it's pretty obvious that heroin and other addictive substances be abstained from, but LSD? Maybe it's just the behavioral side of it that you were speaking to? Like people just wanting 'something' to get high, or use as an escape? Do you really think that there is something wrong with the occasional recreation trip? What about marijuana? I'm curious to hear your response.

Much love and respect!  :)
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on March 01, 2010, 08:25:46 AM
As I see it' it all comes down to NMDA receptor reset' we learn through these receptors through kenisthetics'

LSD messes up the seretonin pathways' giving them an inabilty to recognise seretonin for a period of a few days after ingestion' it also teaches us to experience life through "Getting high" this is no of what Iboga is about'

Ones intent with Iboga is to get a clean slate!
Taking substances within 6 weeks of Iboga in my book is a no no'

You spent your whole life getting bent up' Iboga rewires this' then you just go back to getting bent up on different substances' this is just the same syndrome you seek to allieviate'

Spice & Shroo are in my book the only substances besides weed that are beneficail to the Iboga experience' Aya 6 weeks out is very grounding'

I blow a few bowls' I use it cos I am so highly wired from my experiences'

I meditate a lot and know of what I experience as of when completely clear of substances' any substance you ingest after Iboga lowers your psychi (except spice and shroo) you lose the ability to remote view' the two hemisphers of the brain slide out of sync' you get a snowyness to your psychi and eventualy lose your psychic tools'# Kundalini no rises like the "Rocket" it should be'
You have to ingest of Iboga again to clear the damage done to receptors'

I suppose it is all down to of what you know and of what you wish to learn a bout yourself'
I use Iboga and all of my plants for the purpose of "Sorcery" and you require of a powerful psychi in order to control ther invisible' taking substances after Iboga makes you weak to of what Iboga can really teach you'

If a Larma (Monk) spent his whole life meditating and learning of himself' do you think he would ingest something that would cloud his mind and receptors'

NO is the simple answer'

There is only one way to get clear of your past' no repeat it!

Bliss!

Nobu +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Calaquendi on March 01, 2010, 05:03:06 PM
Thanks for the clarifications - I understand better what you mean. I'm also in agreement - especially in the earlier phases after taking iboga. There should be a period of abstinence while things are being integrated. Ayahuasca is a tremendous teacher in its own right and of all the entheogens that I have familiarity with, I would consider it most  like eboka...two very different master plants with some similar qualities. Eboka is as unique as it gets, and the similarities in it and yage are only cursory - but I don't see many other medicines that share some of these qualities and have such lasting effects.  :)
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Eon T McKnight on March 01, 2010, 06:20:40 PM
Nobu, it is clear that you are an eboka zealot.  That said, I suggest you not dismiss other paths out-of-hand.  I had a very beneficial relationship with LSD, back when it was still available.

If LSD "messes up the serotonin pathways" then the same armchair pharmacology could be used for eboka, DMT and psilocybin.  None of these chemical tools are 'evil' in their own right, it is up to the person whether use will provide healing and insight or just be "getting high."

There is ample evidence in the literature of eboka being use as a stimulant and aphrodisiac for hedonistic purposes, too.

It is largely the intent, the mind-set, that we bring to such an experience that determines if it will be beneficial.

Paz y Luce     ~Eon
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on March 01, 2010, 08:16:56 PM
Well bro' you miss the point also'

Iboga rewires your brain away from substances and Iboga no lower seretonin it boost it'

I say 6 weeks at least between Iboga and other substances' cos it takes Iboga 6 weeks to rewire you dopamine pathways' you know the ones you bash up for years and years using'

Do what thou will!

But from experience' you hit any substance within the time frame it takes Iboga to rewire the two hemispherss of the brain'
you waste your time taking Iboga'

Iboga resets NMDA pathways'
Iboga straightened out 30 odd years of eating LSD'
Spice sorted out the rest of the kinks in psychi'

LSD is a complex man made molecule'

It just is no good to keep sticking things in your body that should no be there and also it is non conducive to reseting you two hemispheres of your brain'

Perhaps as of when you partake of a large amount of Iboga you too shall understand of what I am attempting to explain to you'

It is all semanitics anyways'

I have my style' it works very well' cos I used to do everything just like the folks that I help'

You can never kid a kidder'

Bliss!

Nobu +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on March 01, 2010, 10:15:56 PM
okay, i'll bite.
nobu, you called me uneducated because I said eating eboga works just fine. I stand by what I say. no need to shoot it or smoke it, unless you are a sensation junkie. biggerbetterfastermore
just no need.
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Eon T McKnight on March 01, 2010, 10:33:04 PM
OK bro Nobu, lets examine the published literature.

You say:  "Iboga rewires your brain away from substances and Iboga no lower seretonin it boost it'"

LSD, psilocybin, DMT, mescaline AND ibogaine all act as agonists at the 5HT2 receptor sites:

    http://www.springerlink.com/content/7740vp1kp084288x/

    These studies revealed that ibogaine interacted with a wide variety of receptors at concentrations of 1–100 µM.
    These included the mu, delta, kappa, opiate, 5HT2, 5HT3, and muscarinic1 and 2 receptors, and the dopamine,
    norepinephrine, and serotonin uptake sites.

Hence my statement:  "If LSD 'messes up the serotonin pathways' then the same armchair pharmacology could be used for eboka."  While not particularly scientific, I stand behind my statement, as does published research.

I am very wary of sending wrong, poorly researched, and personal messages to those looking for facts.  I hold truth and accuracy supreme.

Wanna dance?

McKnight

PS  --  5HT = serotonin.  5HT2 is a subset of the 5HT receptor sites in the brain.  More accurately, the psychedelics, presumably including ibogaine, bind to the 5HT2a subset of 5HT2 receptors.  Activity at the 5HT2a sites in the brain has been identified with a wide range of 'psychedelic' activity from a number of different compounds.   ~Mc

PPS  --  How does the provenance of LSD ("LSD is a complex man made molecule") have any bearing on its effects?  In my book, H. sapiens is just as natural as T. iboga.  Why should some chemical produced by one be any less valuable than one produced by the other?

PPPS  --  Ibogaine is NOT an MAOI.  Unless you can find a peer reviewed article in an accredited journal showing otherwise, I suggest that you resist the temptation to make unsupported statements.  (BTW, MAO inhibition is not the only way that synaptic serotonin can be increased.)
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on March 02, 2010, 12:51:57 AM
I am not versed in the chemistry, so I have nothing intelligent to add there. Shroo, that means mushrooms? Spice means smoking Iboga?
I do know Iboga resets, I do know giving it time post flood is very important. I do know that the lsd I took did not separate me from iboga, nor did the couple times I drank alcohol. For me, science aside, Iboga is an entity and teacher, Iboga knows who I am, so do the Bwiti. From Iboga, I know it's about love and evolution. About knowing myself and seeing myself, watching out for ego, trying not to cause pain to myself or others. Judgement only causes me to be judged, and creates separation. Do turtles eat catfish?

Love.
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Eon T McKnight on March 02, 2010, 01:35:31 AM
Spice, from my travels upon the Internet, was most assuredly borrowed from "Dune" and can refer to DMT or to the mystery compound in Mimosa root bark that is orally active and similar in effects to tryptamines such as DMT.  Mimosa heads have gone to great lengths to isolate and purify the mystery Spice.  ( see:     dmt-nexus.com )

"I do know giving it time post flood is very important"  --  This certainly is true for one receiving treatment, for someone seeking healing, so that the healthy effects persist as long as possible.

On the other hand, if one really takes to heart the message one has received, it will not easily be dislodged.  If one refuses to let that vision go and keeps it bright, it cannot be taken away by anyone or any thing, in my personal experience.

I hope each of us has an inspiring message or vision that we shall carry with us always.

And neither rain, nor snow, nor sleet, nor hail shall keep  --  oops, that's the mailman one.  Well, you get the idea, right?

~et
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on March 02, 2010, 07:12:00 AM
I just realized it's been 7 months since I gave up alcoholism. Life just keeps getting better, too.
I do a lot of work to stay on this path, but it is not drudgery in the slightest. I have come such a long way, and in doing so realize again and again how much further I have to go. But even that is a grand adventure. Cal, this forum (all you people!) means a lot to me.
love and unity
T

Do icebergs dream?
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: GratefulDad on March 02, 2010, 07:21:38 AM
I honestly think iboga straightened me out, so I could get much more out of every psychedelic experience, including LSD, but I don't know about them all that close together.  I'd probably wait at least a couple months..  I did use a little bit of mushroom tea a few days after my first flood dose, not much for a trip, but enough for a little boost in energy and mood..
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Nganga Nobunoni + on March 03, 2010, 05:42:10 PM
The action of Ibogaine effects reuptake of dopamine and seretonin in the brain' of how it actualy does this is no clear'

I have a paper that goes into specifics' of which I shall post when I get time'
#for now so we can see some stuff'


Ibogaine affects a substantial number of neurotransmitter pathways,
including N-methyl-D-aspartate (NMDA) and ?-opioid receptors, as well as
dopamine and serotonin uptake sites and ? sites'


Binding profile
Ibogaine has affinity (Ki) for the following sites in decreasing order of potency: ?2 (206 nM) > SERT (548.7 nM) > DAT (1,980 nM) > NMDA (2,001 nM) > ?-opioid (2,717 nM) > µ-opioid (4,362 nM) > ?1 (5,839 nM) > M3 (12,500 nM) > 5-HT2A (14,142 nM) > M1 (22,486 nM) > M2 (39,409 nM) > D3 (70,000 nM).[42] It also has affinity for VMAT and the nACh receptors, among other targets.[43]

Bliss!

Nobu +
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: x on March 28, 2010, 01:36:18 AM
A small me update.

K, friends, guess what?

I found this group called Evolver, they are amazing, with chapters everywhere.

There was a meeting local and I got to go actually talk on Iboga. I was Way the least experienced person on the panel, my gosh. It was a meeting on entheogens, and listening to the other guests has changed me forevermore. Seriously. Also, while Iboga is certainly my path, and likely eventually Bwiti, I see that there are so many paths to this place we come to. Of connection and positive intention and ACTION.

Some of the panelists came over after and we talked for hours more. I may sound like a babe in the woods with this, but have you guys read the stuff on the gnosticmedia website? Mygoshohmygosh. And the realitysandwich site. My gosh! That's the parent site for the Evolver site.

There's just so much good stuff going on in the world. And we are capable of doing something about it, lol.

Husband JR is in Georgia for a minute, and I miss him terribly. And I'm glad he's there because he is doing some heavy inside work.

Ah, what else. Oh yeah! I'm excited that Eric T is doing the US ibotour, lol. How cool is that? I really, really like and respect him, and think this will be good for iboga in the extreme.

I'm learning the difference between discernment and judgement, this has been a big thing, too.

Just so much going on right now, I feel like I'm at the top of the roller coaster, that more is certainly coming.

Whew!

Love to you guys. I've missed this place.
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: Calaquendi on March 28, 2010, 02:58:26 AM
Right on Tia, thanks for the update sister. Your energy around this is awesome - and contagious! I'll have to check in to Evolver it sounds interesting. I have heard of Reality Sandwich - after I read 'Breaking Open the Head' I was turned on to it. You are plugged straight in lady, and I love it. Great to see you here...what will it take to fix the avatar issue? I mean, is this something I need to fix in the admin dept - because as much as I love you I don't know how long I can abide whats-his-face... ;D Love and plant parts!
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: GratefulDad on March 29, 2010, 03:14:08 AM
I am interested in these other sites, so when you guys find some good stuff there, feel free to link me... please?  :)
Title: Re: Luminosity, my Iboga experience.
Post by: fallout330 on April 15, 2010, 12:40:52 PM
I can't believe I've been missing this thread.  I need to come in more often.  :)  Evolver/Reality Sandwich is a great site, so much to read there!  Hey Tia I'm fallout330 on Evolver as well, I believe I sent you a friend request.