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Title: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on November 25, 2010, 11:52:59 AM
Hello there.

Ive never took Iboga before.
Im saving some money for a flood dose with someone experienced. Whilst im waiting, do you think its worth trying some Iboga in smaller dosages?
Is there any benefit to this? Or should i just sit tight and save my money - and put it towards the flood dose?

If you think its worth trying some beforehand, what do i buy?  - As there seems to be a few options. The root bark? Grounded root bark? HCI?  TA? Or maybe the Tincture?
Is there anything i need to do to prepare for a flood dose?  It wont be for a few months yet, but any suggestions/advice is much appreciated.

Thanks, crazylife.

Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on November 25, 2010, 01:58:57 PM
I enjoy small doses of iboga.  It's nice to get to know it slowly, as it can help you feel much more safer when the time comes and the feeling isn't totally alien to you.  I like dosing 2-4 grams of bark a day for up to a week, even, but by the end of the week, I'll have been tripping the whole time.  It's mild and manageable for me, but having tasks that require extreme focus or concentration take a minute getting used to and it can slightly heighten anxiety in these more stressful situations.  If you can relax, the trip is very enjoyable, but again, it becomes easy to get agitated in the state when you need to focus on something to complete a task. 

I'll wake up and go to sleep with a mild buzz, including seeing trails and a body buzz.  I wake up and see white zig-zagged lines around everything.  I think it's pretty cool, but people who have a 9-5 job that require focusing on things may want to see how they react on a day off before taking a dose and trying to work. 

My suggestion is it would be fine to get some bark, since that is probably one of the cheapest ways, for getting to know iboga and for boosters.  But I would invest in a fair bit of HCl or PTA/TA for the actual flood.  Getting in enough bark to get to a full flood is rather unpleasant by most accounts.  And definitely save up to get as much extra as you can afford, because unfortunately some of us need more than we expect, and once you are in the middle of a flood and run out without having enough, it really can be disappointing.  Having extra for boosters as needed will greatly improve your chances at reaching your goal, especially if it for kicking an addiction. 

Iboga is a good tool and medicine, useful in more ways than addiction help, and getting to know it intimately, and how it works for you, is very important to getting what you want out of it.  Iboga wants to work with you, so you need to listen and learn how to work with it.  It will tell you if you let it.  Anyways, that's my take on it..
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: Calaquendi on November 25, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
Crazylife - great to hear from you man, I agree with GD about getting to know iboga, however these doses he is talking about are on the high side of microdosing to most (normal) people  :). I'd work my way up in smaller increments unless you're a 'hard head' when it comes to psychedelics, plus if you are on opiates you will need to take that into consideration. I would recommend using the bark in the 1 gram range, increasing it by the gram until you are where you desire to be. The bark is very safe material, especially at these low doses, but like he said if you have things to do which require your concentration, iboga can make this difficult. Plus using it on a daily or even semi-regular basis will build up in your system. The effects are cumulative. I think familiarizing one's self with iboga is certainly worthwhile, but not absolutely necessary, and bark is probably the best and cheapest way to do so.

What are your reasons for flooding? Is it for addiction interruption? You asked about pre-flood preparations and learning the reasons for your endeavor will help us discuss the particulars. There should be a good amount of preparation involved - having a capable and experienced sitter not least, and there are physical and environmental considerations as well. For example if doing this for addiction reasons, you will want to consider tapering off your drug of choice to minimize risks and maximize the chances for success of the ibogaine. Also your dosing for the flood may need to be adjusted according to your physical characteristics (weight, tolerance, etc) If doing this purely for psycho-spiritual reasons the protocol may be different. We'll be happy to help in any way we can, let us know your plans and we can work together!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: Iboga Panacea on November 25, 2010, 04:02:34 PM
I agree with Cal and GD on getting to know the most potent plant spirit in this galaxy before diving in.  I have to go with Cal as far as taking a very minute amount the first several times, really the more microdosing the better for your preperation.  As you might know GD is the stud Ebokian of the bunch so 3-4 grams for him might totally knock your socks off the first time out (personally 3.5 gr RB took me out for nearly a week my first time out).  I would go with at most 300mg your first time out and not go up to 500mg until you feel somewhat comfortable, believe me you will feel it.  It is such a unique plant spirit that it differentiates itself completely from anything else in your system making it very obvious to you on a real conscious level.  Glad you've come aboard the great fleet of reincarnated bwiti family of pygmy anscestory.

Welcome to the reunion of Ultimate Healing where we make doctors look like Neanderthals and Shaman's reclaim their seat of paradise.
-IP
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on November 26, 2010, 02:20:41 AM
Wow, awesome replys. Thanks to you all.  :)  Root-Bark it is then.  8)

My story is this. The reason i feel like Iboga will help me - Suffered extreme abuse from birth to 7. Totally dissociated my whole life (functioning like a robot, totally un-aware of my past). I hit 31 years old, and i have a massive fit/breakdown. Spent the next 4 years integrating with the help of emdr/hynotherapy.
Now ive hit a brick wall.
And i truely believe (from the reading i have done) that this could be the answer. To free me from my past, enough so that i can live a good life.
Im aware that it could bring up alot more things (in fact im hoping it will) that will be hard to face.

Pre-breakdown i was addicted to everything BUT drugs! My coping mechanisms had to be subtle enough for me to be able to stay in denial. So i was an alcoholic - i covered it up as seeing myself as a 'sociable drinker'. I was obssessed with food - both extremes (eating mega healthy, then binging) . I was a fitness freak, then the next minute someone craving for 2 pizza's and a garlic bread.
I was also addicted to abusive relationships (me the victim).

So basically my whole life has been 1 big joke. 35 years wasted. So much effort put it, for no reward.
Still.... im an extremely positive determined person (somehow). 

Sorry for the personal life story!



Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: sister on November 26, 2010, 09:28:48 AM
Welcome.....

I had a pretty rough childhood myself, raised by addicts, in fact I was born an addict.  I was not aware of this till my later yrs.  For me.... the iboga did help me let go of anger and all that goes with it.  Don't get me wrong.. this is not a passive endeavor.  I still have to work at things like isolation and depression.

I agree with the above with RB.  We all have different ideals on doses but middle road to start with then listen to your body.  WELCOME and good luck.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on November 27, 2010, 02:09:00 PM
Thanks for your post Sister.

I just have a couple more questions -  Grounded root park or Cut root bark? Does it matter?
Is it best to use the cut root bark so you can spend time chewing it in the mouth?
How long does the root bark stay active for? I want to buy some from another country and i dont want to buy too much, unless it stays active for a year or two.

Thanks, crazylife.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on November 27, 2010, 02:35:36 PM

Hi Crazy,

The rootbark can sometimes come as a fine powder like from IbogaWorld.com.  You may be better off putting them in a capsule and taking them for it does not taste that good.  You can get capsuls from the health food store or online or buy something you do not need that is cheap and comes in big caps and empty the caps and fill with RB.

Be sure it is Root Bark  - not ground root.  If the price is too low do not buy it.

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on November 28, 2010, 04:46:07 AM
Hi Roy,

So theres no benefit from chewing it? (like sublingual effect?) IbogaWorld sells them already in capsules, which is handy.

Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: harveyplex on November 29, 2010, 04:47:11 PM
root bark is very , very bitter and chewing it could prove difficult .
you could gag from this and lose the whole load .
usually once it starts comming up it doesnt stop till most/all of it (woods) is up and out .
 the most biiter, gagging taste i have known to date is the flavor of which is an Eboka purge .
- bee aka hp and cbh
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on November 29, 2010, 05:22:07 PM

Hi Crazylife,

You can chew the bark and get a little something but it is bitter.  IW sells it and it has been ground to a fine powder and easy to put into caps.  As value for the buck I would go with the deal where you buy five grams or something like that.

BTW, I hope you don't think I was being sarcastic when I started my last reply saying Hi Crazy for I did not intend to insult you or anything.

Also, I reread you letter and you had some issues in your childhood that you hope can be resolved, right?  I really do not think it can be done with bark alone.  It may be that you need a real treatment with a flood dose.  Why not ask the forum and see what they say.  There is a lot of experience on this site.  Sometimes people go to extremes like an overachiever and sometimes  break down.  I used drugs but also took vitamins, guess it is a type of yin-yang of sorts.

Best to ya,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on November 30, 2010, 01:36:20 AM
harveyplex - Thanks for the advice man. Mmmmmmm, so basically capsules with powder sounds the best bet. (if i bother trying to do anything on my own).

Roy - No offence taken.  8) :)  Yeah, a flood does sounds like it will be the best bet at helping me. Ive been the over-achiever myself. And i brokedown around 3 years ago, and lost everything id worked for. Im sure it happens to alot of survivors as they reach their 30's and their past starts creeping up on them. Very sad.

Im inpatient!  (thats the problem!) I want to be 'normal' now! (whatever that is). I want to do things in my best intrest, and live a good life! Im hoping Iboga can re-program me from all these self-destructive habits that ive had for 35 years, or at least make me aware of why i do the things i do - so i can change.

I get pretty obssesive when i think something could be the answer. Had every type of therapy etc etc. Im trying to keep my feet grounded this time.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on November 30, 2010, 09:45:36 AM

HI CL,

You have tried the others ones by all means try this one.  There have been people that have been to rehab to rehab and Ibo helps.  Now in an earlier post you talked about destructive behavior, I'm not sure but many people and news articles have said that people claim it is like 20 years of therapy in a day or week, whatever.  I hate SSRIs but that is just me, If your taking anything of the *RIs drugs make sure you wait a week or better two before doing it.  You know to have a good trusted friend there, right?  When they say DIY they mean do it yourself with a sitter not when home alone.

This just might be what you looking for, read all you can and ask any questions you many have for there are nice folks here to help ya.  Oh, you know that, that's right.  See, I wouldn't put ya on.

Wishing you all the luck,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on November 30, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
Hi Roy,  8)

Nope ive not been on SSRI's - My shrink thought (rightly imo) it would slow down my memory recovery/integration from all the trauma, so thought it to be unnessercary.
Unfortunatley i havent really got any friends i trust. Pre-breakdown i would of claimed i had 8-10 really good friends (i actually saw myself as being pretty lucky in that department - proper friends, not facebook buddies).
Back then i was working, had a good job, house etc etc - the only stuff that most people admire. As soon as a brokedown and confided to these people (wish i hadnt of), they ran for the hills!
I live with my dad, who i trust, but i wouldnt want to put him through watching me go through that.
So i think i will wait to get treatment by someone.
Theres a lady in holland thats an option, and a bloke in HULL whos on holiday atm.

The only slight worry i have is that i had a raised LFT this last year (ALT=96). Got disanosed with fatty liver (nash). Have since lost 2 stone, and changed my diet totally, and my liver function has returned to totally normal.
From what ive read the Iboga is a big body load, especially on the liver.
Thanks, CL.

 
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on November 30, 2010, 01:57:56 PM

Hi CL,

You have a very smart shrink for them people like to write for pills whether you need them or not.

If you do not have any real friends the lady in Holland will be an excellent choice.  I have heard good stories from everyone who went there, never a bad word.  She has people in her home that come from all over the world.  Ya think the Dr and scientists would want to talk to her, make her the director of some clinic.  I doubt if she has a Dr degree, just experience and a great track record.  Depending on your funds it may be better go and see her for she is experienced in many detox and treatments.  Maybe you could write to her and tell her what you are looking for if you have not done so.

If not there you can go to Canada or Mexico or go to a sitter or sometimes one will come to you.  Let's use know before you go and we send good vibes your way.

Best,

  Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on November 30, 2010, 04:03:48 PM
Iboga does get processed by the liver, but then, what doesn't?  As long as it's normal now, you should be fine.  I went to Sara Glatt in Holland for my first treatment back in 04, and if she's one of your choices, I'd say you'd be in good hands. 
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 01, 2010, 03:34:21 AM
Roy - Thanks again for your advice. I doubt someone like her would ever get the credit she would deserve, knowing what i do atm about this corrupt world. Which is a real shame.
I stumbled across IBOGA, while looking for other things i thought might help me. Everything for me has come to me just when ive been able to use it. Like following chapters in a book. Syncronocities have been so frequent, like some higher power saying " yeah, this is the path". I guess this gives me a bit more faith in taking this step with IBOGA.
This is a great site. Reading other peoples experiences and seeing them make good changes is very positive for me, as ive always felt like an underdog.

GratefulDad - Very true. So many foods that people eat everyday are bad for the liver, and most people dont even realise it. Im going to try and be in the best physical shape i have ever been for this experience.  Thanks for your recommendation.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on December 01, 2010, 08:03:45 AM

Hi CL,

Quote
Everything for me has come to me just when ive been able to use it. Like following chapters in a book. Syncronocities have been so frequent, like some higher power saying " yeah, this is the path". I guess this gives me a bit more faith in taking this step with IBOGA.

That's GREAT.  That usually means everything is going to be all right.  Just so there is no mistake.  You do not take Ibo on Friday and expect to be at work on Monday, you know this right?  It takes a week or so to straighten up and some, like me do not consider it fun to take but necessary - just so ya know.  If you can not get a sitter or friend you may like going to the Netherlands, maybe go a few days early and see the sights, then get your butt beat or as some say head cracked open.

Again let us know before you go so we can send some good vibes your way.  Do you know that Vibes R Us have rated this site as the number 1 (number one) web site for vibe giving, yea number 1.  I'm not surprised.

Best,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 04, 2010, 02:57:15 AM
Hi Roy D,

Sorry for the late reply. I fell down the stairs and knocked myself out, lol. Doh (x10)   :P
Im expecting the Iboga experience to be just the start of the recovery. Im already off work, and i have no children or big responsibilitys. Luckilly i have all the time i need to face what i will have to afterwards.

Im guessing the Iboga will give me some clarity on what happened to me, and will be very hard going for weeks (maybe months) afterwards, as i try and process it all.

When i say i have no friends, thats being pretty unfair on myself. I have no friends that i can trust with what happened to me as a child. Also - i dont expect anyone to take on the burden in anyway, theres always a bigger expectation from myself.  I always end up feeling guilty and it highlights how much its affected me, so the isolation is the best of two evils.

Its looking like i can get treatment in england (i am keeping options open though) which will be only around 130 miles away from where i live. This suits me far more than going to Holland as im guessing ill be feeing pretty freaked-out afterwards, and i couldnt imagine driving in that state. (not that far anyways!).

Thanks for your supportive words man. Crazylife.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on December 04, 2010, 03:09:20 PM

HI CL,

Oh you got to be careful falling down the stairs and knocking yourself out.  You really seem up beat and have the right attitude which is very important.  Hopefully this will give you the adjustment you need so to speak.  When you come back to Earth you will feel like you got a cold and like a cold you will be pretty good in a week to ten days.

Having it close to your house is nice.  I was thinking the Netherlands would maybe be a change of pace.  I would not drive for you would be driving a strange car in a strange country in a strange state of mind, not a good idea, too much could go wrong.   After your treatment you will be bombarded with all kinds of thoughts, just relax the best you can and let what happens happen. 

Best to ya,

  - JIM
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 12, 2010, 06:12:52 AM
Hi Jim,

Good advice in the driving. Ive never driven on the right hand side of the road before, and im pretty sure ill be VERY NERVOUS before my 1st iboga experience.
Everything ive read on here, and a few blogs elsewhere has convinced me that iboga can open doors for me. In the months afterwards its up to me to choose to walk through them and feel the pain. And maybe then ill be aiming for my secound experience to do even more work.
Ive decided that March is when im going to have my first flood. I have 3 months to prepare. Im on a good diet to make sure im in good physical shape.
March because its my birthday. 35 years old, 35 years of shit. Ive heard Iboga is like a re-birth, so i thought it fitted well. And if i dont set a date, ill never do it.

SWIM did consider preceeding this experience by taking something like LSD.... im not sure why. Maybe because it would also have some theraputic value, and it would give SWIM more confidence to face the Iboga. Im guessing Iboga is beyond comparison as an experience. But  SWIM was thinking that a dose of LSD could prove to him that he was still head-strong, and give him some confidence for the Iboga flood. SWIM has done LSD plenty of times before, but never since his breakdown and memory recovery.
(im not comparing the two, more of a confidence trick for myself)

Anyways... thats not going to happen as its impossible to get hold of nowadays. And maybe thats a good thing anyway.
3 months to convince myself that whatever comes up i can face physcologically, and to prepare my body with the physical load.

Thanks man, crazylife.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on December 12, 2010, 10:00:47 AM

Hi CL,

Good to see ya.  Ohhh yes, March is a very good month to have an Experience for then comes spring the flowers and trees start to grow and you will have a little bit of a head start.  You too can begin your new life if that's what ya want.  You can quit smoking cigs, quit eating junk food,sugar all kinds of bad habits.  Yep, my last Exp was March and it has been successful.  I would not mix acid with Ibo anymore that Ibo with alcohol but that's just me.  I look at it like this - acid is for enjoyment and learning about yourself or spiritual matters, same for shrooms.  Now, Ibo.... well that's like boot camp, not that much fun but it will make a man outta ya, no pun intended.  Let there be no mistake I am not encouraging anyone to join the service - just using that for an example.  Ibo will tell you whatever happened is over, there is nothing you can do about it until they invent a time machine and when they do they won't let ya use it anyway.  So get over it and sometimes you do, since you want to I imagine you will.  I don't have much experience in using it for emotional or deep rooted problems but just addiction problems.  Now, often addiction problems can be caused my traumatic or emotional events from what they say so if it heals the traumatic or emotional event that may be how it  beats addiction.  But with addiction you have the cravings and the terrible withdrawal with is actually worse than in the movies and Ibo helps with that.

You have such a positive out look I can not help but believe it will work.  Since you want it to work so bad I believe it will, in fact I would even bet maybe $20 or so. ;

Best,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 15, 2010, 03:48:29 AM
Hi Roy,

I wasnt talking about mixing LSD and Iboga - that would be utter insanity.  :P :P  Was on about someone using LSD months before an iboga dose. Its known to help with repressed memories.
Yeah ive never had a drug addiction before, but ive read a few blogs where people have said how much emotional baggage it brought up, like a real purge. Thats what drew me towards it.  8)
Ive lived an addictive self destructive life though, just somehow managed to keep clear of hard drugs. Im sure iboga will help me. Im betting it would help anyone.

Thanks, crazylife.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on December 15, 2010, 03:56:43 AM
For the record, some people here say LSD and iboga is an awesome way to get a lot more out of a lower dose of iboga.  I have done LSD very close to microdoses, but not that near a full flood dose (week maybe?).  Although, I am pretty sure there will be no adverse physical reactions.  I have eaten low doses of iboga for days in a row, and then eaten acid on the following day.  What your mind can handle, though, is for you to judge.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 15, 2010, 04:20:25 AM
Hi GratefulDad,

I was just meaning it would be insanity for me, first time having a flood dose, and dropping trips at the same time. Im sure its an intresting combination once you have been exposed to the power of Iboga for a while though.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on December 15, 2010, 08:48:29 AM

Hi CL,

Ibo is so strong at least for me.  An Ibo Exp is so bizarre that maybe interfere with the learning, of course I have no idea.  I just feel each has it's own purpose.  If you were to take muchrooms once a week until you started feeling better you may start feeling better.  No, I am not playing with words but after I do a mm session it seems like your in a good mood for a few day, or that has been my experience - it can bring some happiness into your life.

GD - I a person is hungry and eats a few handful of crackers or something then takes 7g of shrooms and does not feel much at all could that because of he ate that little bit before take the shrooms?  The same shrooms worked fine a weak earlier.

Best to ya,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on December 15, 2010, 11:42:06 AM
Mushrooms can be finicky like that.  I have eaten 9 grams of shrooms and fell asleep.  I have eaten 7 grams and had the most amazing trip, as well.  I think tolerance probably plays a factor, as well as set and setting.  The crackers could slow absorption, causing a slower ramp up, which can cause less intense effects.  Best bet is to take a tea and chug it.  That is my favorite way.  I prefer not to have an empty stomach before a trip, but it's good to wait at least an hour or so after a meal, so there is not much interference in absorption.  Otherwise, you can just wait longer between doses, and eat more, or enhance it with MAOIs.  Another things is mushooms can vary in potency from flush to flush, and even shroom to shroom.  To avoid trouble, one can take a whole sample, and grind it up, and mix it well, so that a standardized powder is formed.  This might help one avoid variations in the actual shrooms.  But it is probably better to store them whole, and cracker dry. 

Also, low doses of iboga aren't as overwhelming or tough to handle.  TA is much smoother.  If you get the inclination, try a small dose of root bark and one of your other trips in conjunction.  You might be surprised at how well they can mesh, especially when your head is in the right place!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on December 15, 2010, 04:52:05 PM


Thanks GD,

They were part of the same batch from the same bag.  Last time I did 7g the room lit up - I really did not expect it and in looking back I was taking about 250mg of rb so that may of had something to do with it.
It was over a week in between.  Talk about being disappointed, big time I mean it was threshold, but yet I felt speeded up , that's all.
See, I was starving so I took two handfulls of fish type crackers and I did not know it would reduce it 90% or so.  Won't do that again.

  - JIM
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 18, 2010, 03:54:05 AM
Deleted - my post was a bit negative.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 20, 2010, 03:06:36 AM
I was wondering what anyone thought to having 1G of iboga bark for 30 days straight?
And then spending the next month processing what it brings up?
Does that sound sensible and still effective?

Decided against paying for treatment, as im almost sure that i will end up feeling like i havent got my moneys worth.
I need to spend around £300-600 for health tests before i even pay for treatment.
I understand that the treatment provider is doing things correctly and professionally, just reluctant to spend £300-600 on tests when ive already had them very recently on national health and i know im very healthy. If they were tests i hadnt had in a long time id see it as money spent worthwhile.

Also... if the provider is very concerned with my health i have a feeling that they will be cautious with dosages, and the whole point of me wanting a flood is because i want to go deep.

£2000 is alot of money for me.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on December 20, 2010, 06:58:03 AM

Hi CL,

I really don't think that's how Ibo works.  You are not addicted and you believe a flood is needed.  From what I have read 1gm a day is a fair amount and I don't think you would like to do it for 30 days.  Why not try 250mg for a 3 to 7 days then 500 for 3 to 7 days and see what your body is telling you.  Others who take the RB will chime in and help you out a bit.

Most of the people here understand very well how you sometimes have to do it at home because of...of....not having a lot of cash. Oh yea we know.  If your in good health why spend that kind of money.  One of the best Exp I had was when I was only on 45mg of MS for pain and took 1gm of the HCL.  It did not beat me up that bad and I woke up with the Ibo glow for the first and only time.  The dose would of been apx 10-11mg/kg - it was great.  The next time I took 1.5gm and WOW what a difference and not a fun one. 

You seem anxious to get you feet wet, why not get a gram and take maybe .33 and see what happens.  Then a week or two later take the other .66 and see what happens.  That way you will have a rough idea of what to expect.  I do read a lot of different posts and sometimes get mixed up and forget that some people use it for other problems than addiction.  You have had your problems in life and you think Ibo may help you and it may.  But since your not a drug user you may not enjoy the Exp, I don't enjoy the Exp but it is necessary much like having your appendix removed - it must be done.  And your not really planning on taking the full flood soon if I remember correctly.  Now, do you have some good trustworthy buds you can have come over and be with you.  You should be OK in 24 hrs on .3  but I can't guess the .6gm.  Now, you may break down and cry and things like that - it is not a fun ride.  Of course that is just me.  I am not sure of your weight but (please tell those folks in your country to use kg or lbs but not stone - lol) if your maybe 100-130lbs or so the .6 can be ...quite noticeable.  And maybe, just maybe, you could get what you need or maybe even say noooooo way - that stuff is Bizarre.  But you then have a choice, you have a rough idea of what your getting into.  Whatever you do, don't try and drive or bake something in the over or cook on the stove.  And you may not eat much or sleep much for a week.

Just and idea,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: harveyplex on December 20, 2010, 08:13:45 AM
sorry ;)
i moved it .
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: harveyplex on December 20, 2010, 09:45:10 PM
Hello crazylife ,

i would take 1/3 of the RB on a night to where you didnt have to work the next day as your short term memory will be shot more than likely but by the following day i think you would be fine to take on your regular day (all wont be restored but you should be functional - motor skills and memory . your emotional state will fluctuate but it should be managable during the periods of time that you have to mix it up with the people you work with , the guy working at the gas station or your signifigant other ......... (& so on & on ). You could have anger issues come up (a sort of hotheadedness that sometimes gets mixed in with the afterglow post eboka) - this will disapate shortly after tx also.
Once identifed (temper temper ) its pretty easy to handle untill it disapates .
the scenario that i desrcribed above is a basic three day plan .
i came to use it myself on more than one occassion after i began working full time again . i would journey on a friday night and work it out before i had to return to work on monday .
this method would not work with a full flood dose as the recovery time is longer (could be much longer ) there . After my 1st flood i didnt sleep forever and even after i got sleep i was wacky , wacky with memory problems lasting up to almost 2 weeks.
on what would be basicly a 10 g shot of Eboka RB at once you will be fine on this plan and could do each third a week apart on the same day .
these are just some ideas from a big fan of ibogaine and its teachings .
I am sorry about interupting this thread with my personal rantings earlier .
i have posted them elsewhere as of this time .
much love and star wars
- harVey PleX

Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on December 25, 2010, 03:05:21 AM
Hey Roy - Ive decided now to do it myself. I cant see the benefit of paying someone X amounts of cash to basically just have a 4 day sleep-over.
If they had an ECG machine on site & trained nurse etc etc - maybe i could see it being worthwhile, but they dont.
I have a few people i can trust, just have major trust issues. One person in particular will more than likely be capable of sitting, and will understand the kind of stuff that will be happening. The others would probably see Iboga as an 'evil drug' even though they are happy to smoke weed 7 days a week, lol.
Im leaning towards taking the T.A. ( i weigh 15 stones, and have been told 5 grammes is the flood dose), and have already bought a 000 capsule filling machine.
Thanks man.

Hi HarveyPlex,
No worries man.  :)   Im currently not working and have zero commitments, so timing aint an issue. Im not sure whether to put ground root bark into capsules (20g flood dose) or use T.A. (4-5g).
Ive still got a few months before i do it.
Id have plenty of time afterwards to wrap my head around what it brought up, and what i became aware of. Thanks for sharing your thoughts man.


Since i told myself i was taking Iboga the wierdest things have started happening. Ive had loads of childhood memories come back (so intense) and i feel like im more aware of other worlds i cant see.
I hope this doesnt sound too strange, but its as if my mind knows what Iboga will show me, so its already (before ive even touched ANY of it) showing me things - as if to make the whole experience less traumatic when i do eventually take a flood.  :o :o


Happy xmas to all.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: sister on December 25, 2010, 09:04:41 AM
no need for EKG machine unless underlying cardiac problems.  I did rent a defib machine for a guy who had WPW.  Other wise just a oximeter is find.. shows constant heart rate and o2 levels.

I went to a "clinic" and didnt have one.. I wish you well in your endevor.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on December 25, 2010, 11:15:54 AM

Hi CL,

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The stone is a unit of measure, abbreviation st[1] which, when it ceased to be legal for trade in United Kingdom in 1985, was defined in British legislation as being a weight or mass [sic] equal to 14 avoirdupois pounds (about 6.35 kilograms).[2] It was also formerly used in several Commonwealth countries.[citation needed]

Eight stones make a hundredweight in the Imperial system.

Quit using stone as a unit of measurement.  First it is illegal, second, it could screw up you dose by someone with limited math skills, and I forget the 3rd reason.

Your talking about taking 20grams of RB, before I would take 20gm of RB I think I would take 1gm to make sure I am not allergic to it or just to be on the safe side.  It is possible that you may say "Nooooo way am I taking 20gm of that stuff.


Best,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 03, 2011, 02:34:06 PM
Hi Roy,

Good point man. (about using metric).
Well i got advised by IW that 5G T.A. would be my dose, but after keeping a close eye on this forum and reading what others are saying, i must say that i think it sounds alot.
Im changing my mind (again) to using bark. I think i have a strong stomach, and 20g doesnt sound alot to chew and swallow - no doubt ill be proven wrong and ill be gipping all over the place.  8)

Also bark is cheaper, and it seems the strength of it (from what i can see) only varies from like 3-6% max.
I asked two friends to sit for me.
1 had alot of bad experiences with drugs as a teenager - and she doesnt see how beneficial Iboga could be for me, despite me explaining. Shes just relating it to her old days of taking too much MDMA and phet, which caused her alot of damage to her heart amongst other things. Shes sees it also as a 'drug' and thinks it will do me harm, hence she wont sit.

The other person (a guy ive known a long time) is wary. Hes very open minded and a long time pot smoker but seems nervous about sitting for me.
I wouldnt ask anyone else i know, mainly because i wouldnt trust them to stay awake for 24 hours to check on me. Most would probably fall asleep watching porn and eating pizza.
I need someone who can take things seriously.
Seems like my dad will sit for me - as ive convinced him i will take a mega safe dosage and it will be ok.
Still not sure when im going to do it.

Thanks Man, CL.

Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on January 03, 2011, 03:45:42 PM

Hi CL,

A person does not have to stay awake a full 24 hours constant, just keep an eye on ya.  I was in the bedroom and my wife would check on me.  Also, she would hear me puke and come right away.  When I was having my experience I did not want any noise and could not stand any smells - both these senses are greatly increased.  Hated to be in the supermarket and near the soap isle - smelled it isles away and this was a month or so later.  If possible I would try and get the root bark that is ground to a powder and put them in a capsule.  You really do not want to chew 20 grams and swallow if you can help it.  I am not that experienced with large doses of RB but I am somewhat concerned.  RB is usually for die hard people rather than new people.  Of course I am for whatever works.

Those who have taken 20 grams of RB what do you think?

Best to all,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: Calaquendi on January 03, 2011, 04:29:52 PM
There is no need whatsoever to chew that shit...in fact, my vote is don't.

I have eaten over 20 grams of bark on two different occasions...first I was able to ingest 30g, in ten gram increments but could not keep the last 10g down long enough to have full effect. Second time I was shooting for thirty but only managed getting 24 in, and that was not easy. You'll absolutely puke, and probably pretty hard too, but that's a necessary part of this type of experience. Frankly I found that the stuff came up easier than it went down!

Maybe start by trying to get ten down, then eat the rest by 2g increments so you can keep it all down long enough to get all the medicine out of it.

I powdered it and mixed it with honey, but even then it was a chore. You could cap it in gelcaps but that'd be a whole bunch of caps to eat. Just take it slow - nice and easy, you don't necessarily have to start with ten whole grams, I just personally like to get it out of the way, lol, and start to get the trip underway. Maybe try it 2 or 4g at a time, as long as you get the full amount in within a few hours all should go well. It will take longer to come on, and last longer than the other forms (HCL/TA/PTA) but the rootbark has a certain traditional element to it that the other forms do not. Good luck!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on January 03, 2011, 06:31:55 PM

Hi All,

Quote
You'll absolutely puke, and probably pretty hard too,

Yes, that's called Restless Stomach Syndrome,  I hate when that happens.

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 04, 2011, 05:10:53 AM
Roy - I appreciate your advice. Just trying to find a balance. Ive already bought a 000 cap machine. Thay can hold around 1250 mg per capsule i believe. Maybe i should go for 15G total the first time then - around 12 gelcaps of ground bark.
I could take 1 for a tester. Then take 3 capsules every 30 minutes or so?
That might be a good idea for first experience?

Calaquendi - Thanks man. I keep changing my method depending on what experience i read.  I have 000 caps i can put the ground bark into. I havent bought the bark yet, as i was waiting until i was sure when i was planning to do the flood. I could get the stronger bark they sell at Reset.nu  (around 5-6% i think) and i would probably only need to use 10 x 000 sized capsules, which isnt too bad. (maybe 12 max).
Thanks again.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: harveyplex on January 04, 2011, 05:46:43 AM
Crazylife ,
i would cap up all 20 grams .
i would take 5 grams every hour .
- at the third hour i would really try to limit movement and stay in the same spot for the rest of the dosing and most of the experience to follow .
you will be fine taking it all this way .
again , limit movement and interaction with others during this time .
i would just lay on a bed or couch in a room with little or no light .
have a bucket near by for purging or peeing in (big smile) .
movement can irritate the system while on eboka and you can risk getting sick because of it.
I always have to watch how i sit up as if you do it too quickly it can shake the system up enough as to get you puking .
just look at the ceiling or wall (in a dark room)and let your thoughts & visions roll by .
much love and star wars
- hp

ps  -  having a sitter or someone check in on you for the 1st 6 - 12 hours isnt a bad idea for someone going about this for the first time .
 i also believe that one can do this alone also . just know the risks and try to be prepared to handle them should they come up .


Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: x on January 06, 2011, 02:26:45 AM
I recently sat with a man who had bark only for his flood. We powdered it well, and he ate approx 5g every twenty minutes. We put it on a folded paper and he poured it to the back of his mouth, followed by the tiniest sip of water. When we reached 40g, he vomited immediately upon taking the dose. This was his second flood, no addictions this time save nicotine. He is approx 90kg. The bark was approx 5%.

The session was beautiful, vitals stable the whole time, much somatic and emotional healing. Lasted 36h.

I conferred with someone who has done many, many bark only sessions, it was conveyed to me, and I witnessed, that the dose will self limit through vomiting.

As a sitter/guide/therapist whatever, I have never felt more comfortable with someone going through a session.

Edited for addition of information.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 06, 2011, 05:03:42 AM
Thanks HarveyPlex and X for your words.   8)
Thats it = minds made up.
20g of bark in capsules, 5 every hour or so, depending on how its feeling. With a 1 gram tester 1 hour before anything else.
Seems safe enough.   
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on January 07, 2011, 12:45:30 AM
I think I am gonna try a flood with bark..  See how much it takes me..
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: Calaquendi on January 08, 2011, 04:16:51 PM
Can't wait to hear about this one dude...what do you think? Try for forty grams? Let us know!!!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on January 08, 2011, 05:09:59 PM
If I eat bark, it wil be a long ordeal.  I am going to gradually eat more bark until my visions start taking over.  I will take maybe 2-4 grams every 30-60 minutes until I am in the iboga dream state.  I am confident that I can take as much as I can to get where I wanna go.  It will be a long, slow ramp up, so I imagine this excursion will take at least a good 3 days...  I haven't set a date and a time yet, but I can feel it approaching..  I ate 4 grams of bark this morning, and I feel pretty ibogafied!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 12, 2011, 11:48:09 AM
Im really glad i came here before i bought anything.
Reset.Nu telling me to use tincture and affirmations, and IW saying 5 grammes of TA - that from the looks of it is enough to blow someones head and feet off.
Seems like somewhere in-between is the right approach to start with.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on January 12, 2011, 04:33:58 PM
To be fair, Sara is involved with iboga world, and has been trsating people for decades, and while Maurice is a great guy form what I understand, I don't think he is qualified to give treatment information.  I may be mistaken.  Or maybe you spoke to someone else at reset.nu, not sure.  I would generally follow the recommendation from Iboga World, but if you are worried just take it slow and take more as needed til you reach the dose you need..
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: Calaquendi on January 12, 2011, 09:59:51 PM
All this depends on what you want to get from an experience CL - what to dose, how to dose etc....I haven't re read this thread but are you using iboga for addiction or other things? Maurice and Sara are probably both right if you didn't specify what you want to use it for. For non addiction issues, a tincture and affirmations may go a long way, but if breaking say a long term opiate habit - you need to flood (IMO)
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 13, 2011, 05:59:54 AM
I wasnt slagging anyone off, not in the slightest. Both were very very friendly, and took the time to write detailed replys. As i was new to iboga i was just suprised in how different their approaches were - which kinda made me nervous. Which is why im glad i came on here and got more opinions from you guys.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: Calaquendi on January 13, 2011, 12:35:13 PM
Gotcha - have you settled on any particulars yet? You can always shoot for some middle ground to get yourself exposed to the material, learn a little about it, feel safe with it etc. Keep us posted!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 18, 2011, 07:40:21 AM
Hey Calaquendi,

Yes im thinking of around 15G of capsulated bark. Was gonna go for 20, but after that recent trip report - thats really opened my eyes. (Pandora's trip report).
I brokedown 3 years ago (boring story lol) and had to sacrifice my friends, house, car, bike, some family, belongings to deal with some terrible shit i experienced for years as a child.
This week has been ground-breaking. Ive met a friend in person (from what i call my 'previous life') for the first time since my breakdown, and im even re-connecting on Facebook after years of isolation. Hes happy to sit for me - or is certainly coming round to the idea.
Its all pointing towards me being able to have my healing experience on Iboga.
And i have someone (with alot of Iboga/ayahuasca experience) who i could experience ayahuasca with - maybe within next month.
Still toying with that idea, especially after ive read a few experience dudes saying that Iboga is the more careful plant.

CL.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 18, 2011, 10:34:54 AM
Hey CL,

nice post. I would like to try Iboga to understand things about myself aswell.
So i will keep track on this post to see how it effected your life.

I contact IW and they suggested I'll take 3.3g of TA, you choosed to use Root Bark, it is cheaper. but do you have any idea of how much of the root bark i'l need to take? (You first say to take 5g TA then changed to 20g RB, is it about the same dosage?)

I hope my question is clear :)

Thanks, E.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 19, 2011, 04:18:45 AM
Hey E-Man,

Im going to use root bark because its so much cheaper,  :).  15-20g seems to be a flood dosage for an average sized person, altho im sure some guys on here would take twice that.
20G of root bark is approx 1G of alkaolid for a 5% strength bark, yet i was going to take 5G of T.A. powder - thats a good question. How does that stack up?! lol.

Yet im sure i have my figures right.
 :-\
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 19, 2011, 06:04:27 AM
I'v been told i need 3.3g TA, this should have 30%-60% so its 1g-2g, eemmm, it seems 20g RB should be ok for me. But how do you know RB has 5%?

And i have one more question, what does fload mean? Is it for addicts? Or is it the amount you need to have full effects of the past visions?
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 19, 2011, 06:12:07 AM
Hi E-Man,

I know when i looked at the bark at reset.NU it shows the approx alkaloid content. (approx). I reckon your safe to assume its 5% unless it says so.
As you know im an Iboga Noob, lol - so the 2nd question is just from what ive read - I think its probably both, that the flood is like a breakthrough (like a total ego defense mechamism breakdown) so works at that physcological level - hence why i need it! And it also serves at a chemical level aswell, to re-balance, for people addicted to substances. 
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 19, 2011, 07:54:24 AM
Well, i guess i want to get floaded aswell then :)

I do hope that someone can answer my questions tho, because I just checked Shamanic site and the quantities confused me again.

They sell 2g RB for 30$ and RB powder of 25g for 29$ and inside that they say:

 "Native cults use 2 or 3 grams for women and 3 to 5 for men. Take a maximum of 5 grams for a psychedelic effect. In the Bwiti cult the drug is taken in 2 ways: regularly in small doses before and in the early part of their ceremonies, followed after midnight by a smaller dose; and once or twice during the initiation to the cult in excessive doses of 1 to 3 basketfulls over an 8 to 24 hour period. This to “break open the head”, thus inducing contact with the ancestors through collapse and hallucination. "

So many items from that iboga tree, is there anyone that can say what would be the cheapest way to "break open the head"?  ???
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on January 19, 2011, 10:21:20 AM


You got to be careful and read the fine print so to speak.  It gets confusing, there is root bark which is often ground to a fine powder.  Then there is root powder see not root bark but root powder which is useless, of course they do not mention that.

Most people like Ibogaworld . com.  There must be a reason why so many people like Ibogaworld.  I was satisfied and was everyone else from what I hear, why gamble, go with IbogaWorld.

Just my opinion,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on January 19, 2011, 11:11:09 AM
If you are in a legal country, cerberusextract.com has a pretty good deal on bark.  Iboga World is reliable, and while SE's bark is apparently pretty good, it's also the most expensive of anywhere..
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 20, 2011, 04:13:32 PM
Ok, thanks guys, you made it a bit more clear now :) RB it will be.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 22, 2011, 08:01:06 AM
Well..... change of heart again, lol.
Ive today bought 4G of HCL from iboga world, nearly £500.
I react on instinct, and ive been collecting so much information on this amazing plant over the last few months.
And i truely believe this is the right way for me to experience it.
Im finally 1 step closer to 'walking the walk' rather than talking about it.   8)

Just like to say thanks to the owner/Mods and members of this great forum. Without it, i wouldnt of even of got this far.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on January 22, 2011, 02:01:51 PM

Hi CL,

I am glad you made that decision.  I really don't think you would of felt so good trying to do 15gm of rb.  You read Cal's story and when he says it is rough you can be sure it is Rough.  I figured you would go for either the TA or HCL - either way you can't go wrong.  Of course you know for a mind fix you do not need as much as a person trying to kick drugs, right?  So your not going to take all four, right?

Best,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 22, 2011, 06:11:28 PM
Is that mean that you'r going to try it in like a few weeks? Waiting to hear how it went. good luck.

BTW
Did they recommand the HCL? because it think it is pure ibogaine no? without the added substance in the RB that can effect in something maybe.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 23, 2011, 03:24:57 AM
Hey Roy,

Im glad also. I think i could of took root bark, and it would of put me off any Iboga experience for good - possibly. Its coming in 300mg capsules, and ill use the spare 100mg as a tester.
Thinking of using 600/900/1200mg for 3-5 experiences.  8)  Michelle at Iboga World said dont go over 1.8G, so ill play it very safe.

Hi E-Man,

Iboga World recommended T.A. powder, but what intrested me about Ibogaine is that it was more emotional/this life than T.A, (from what i had read), and less spiritual/visions/past lives.
My goods come in around 2 weeks, ill keep this thread up to date on any experiences i have.
The HCL is pure Ibogaine, one of many alkaloids found in the Iboga plant.  :)

Thanks, CL.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 23, 2011, 07:12:29 AM
Interesting info about the plant, do you remember where you got all that from? the effect of every alkaliod in the plant ?


Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 23, 2011, 07:19:15 AM
something interesting i'v found:

"Ibogaine shares the same spirit of Iboga but has a different approach. Ibogaine treatment works well for addiction interruption as long as a skilled provider administers it. However, giving a client Ibogaine and sending them to bed for the rest of the nighttime is a less than healthy experience for the participant. Someone who has never had Ibogaine intervention requires feedback about what they are receiving and feeling. Regrettably, some clinics leave the clients alone to interpret their visions themselves, only checking on the client periodically. On the other hand, by using Iboga a person gets the full attributes of the plant and its spirit as a instructor and guide. "

http://hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Iboga-and-Ibogaine-for-treatment-detoxification-and-spiritual-development (http://hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Iboga-and-Ibogaine-for-treatment-detoxification-and-spiritual-development)
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 23, 2011, 07:23:09 AM
Ive been reading trip reports now for months. The only way ill find out is when i experience it myself.  :)   
I feel safer taking ibogaine. 1 alkaloid in lower dosage to be processed by liver VS many different in higher dosage. Its a no-brainer for me in terms of safety.  :)
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 23, 2011, 07:24:34 AM
something interesting i'v found:

"Ibogaine shares the same spirit of Iboga but has a different approach. Ibogaine treatment works well for addiction interruption as long as a skilled provider administers it. However, giving a client Ibogaine and sending them to bed for the rest of the nighttime is a less than healthy experience for the participant. Someone who has never had Ibogaine intervention requires feedback about what they are receiving and feeling. Regrettably, some clinics leave the clients alone to interpret their visions themselves, only checking on the client periodically. On the other hand, by using Iboga a person gets the full attributes of the plant and its spirit as a instructor and guide. "

http://hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Iboga-and-Ibogaine-for-treatment-detoxification-and-spiritual-development (http://hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Iboga-and-Ibogaine-for-treatment-detoxification-and-spiritual-development)


Its never going to be ideal taking this without an experienced 'healer' with you, but who can afford multiple sessions of that at £2k a time?
I know i cant.
And i know im physcologically incredibly strong. Im not saying it wont scare the shit out of me, im saying ill cope. And ill have someone with me at all times, who i can trust.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on January 23, 2011, 08:50:56 PM

HI CL,

Submit to the Ibogaine, let it overwhelm you, you will come back.  It may take a week or two but you will return.  Since you got a lot to choose from in how to take it may I make a suggestion?  Why not start of with 900mg and see what happens, it shouldn't beat you up that bad and you will get a pretty good idea of what to expect.  Then if and when needed you can go 1200 but for a mind adjustment 900 may get the job done.

Just an idea,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 24, 2011, 09:33:38 AM
Hi Roy D,

Sounds good man. And i was going to use the first 100mg capsule as a tester.   :)

I was wondering if there was a iboga/ibogaine preperation thread? For 24 hours before? Like "what to eat" ,  "what not to eat"  before an iboga session.

CL.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 24, 2011, 09:35:04 AM
something interesting i'v found:

"Ibogaine shares the same spirit of Iboga but has a different approach. Ibogaine treatment works well for addiction interruption as long as a skilled provider administers it. However, giving a client Ibogaine and sending them to bed for the rest of the nighttime is a less than healthy experience for the participant. Someone who has never had Ibogaine intervention requires feedback about what they are receiving and feeling. Regrettably, some clinics leave the clients alone to interpret their visions themselves, only checking on the client periodically. On the other hand, by using Iboga a person gets the full attributes of the plant and its spirit as a instructor and guide. "

http://hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Iboga-and-Ibogaine-for-treatment-detoxification-and-spiritual-development (http://hubpages.com/hub/Understanding-Iboga-and-Ibogaine-for-treatment-detoxification-and-spiritual-development)


Its never going to be ideal taking this without an experienced 'healer' with you, but who can afford multiple sessions of that at £2k a time?
I know i cant.
And i know im physcologically incredibly strong. Im not saying it wont scare the shit out of me, im saying ill cope. And ill have someone with me at all times, who i can trust.

Hi E-Man,

I hope you didnt think my response was negative. I find forums hard without tone of voice. When i talk, i always talk politely and respectfully.  :)
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 27, 2011, 11:03:01 AM
Why would your response would be nagative?

What i ment in my link is that the iboga, unlike pure ibogine, will give you a mental guide in your trip. that is what i got from the link.
Didnt mean yo uneed someone that will take care of you physicly, but rater someone that will help you to understand what your going though. I guess you can try to figure things up by yourself, but it more helpfull to have someone to lead you, if you want to change something.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on January 27, 2011, 12:56:19 PM
I am the type of person that will not trust another person unless I figure it out and feel it myself.  This is why I think doing iboga without some "shaman", who very well could be doing treatments for selfish and manipulative reasons, is a feasible option.  Having a trustworthy person with experience around is great to learn about iboga, but I think most of the inner healing and therapy comes from the insight gained from the experience. 

I think iboga does a great job of getting the message across.  I do think, ideally, finding a trustworthy person with experience can be greatly beneficial because it can help ease concerns to have someone reassuring and familiar with the experience nearby.  Once someone gets a feel for iboga, I think very little else is needed in the way of counseling, with iboga, but people can vary in how much extra therapy they need.  I have always been a do-it-yourselfer, so naturally I resist other people's influence, but if someone feels more comfortable letting someone else guide them, that is okay, too.  But it doesn't necessarily mean it is any better or more thorough. 

Also, the stuff about the extra alkaloids being more of a guide, I don't think that is correct.  Sounds like pure speculation.  The added alkaloids can ease the transition into the experience, prolong it, and cause other side effects.  I do think that overall, the complete alkaloid profile provides for a more rounded and full experience, but I don't think they actually add much more to one's ability to understand and integrate the experience.  People's willingness to interpret things and look at things in a new light seem to have much more to do with what they take away from the experience, rather than the precise mix of alkaloids.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 27, 2011, 01:07:35 PM
^ Hi em-man, sorry one of my negative mind programs was running - which is why im taking ibogaine.  8)

Gratefuldad - I did look into seeing a shaman/healer, but felt like my experience would be to personal to share with a stranger, regardless of however open their mind is.
I even think it might hold me back doing it with someone i dont know. For example - i couldnt imagine myself getting upset in front of another man that i didnt know very well. (if that happens of course) Its going to bring up a huge amount for me, im certain of it. I reckon even a low dosage like 300-600mg would.
Im suprised more people (on here) dont use HCL.
The cost aint too bad considering (from what ive read) a person can have a very theraputic journey on even 600-750mg. Thats like £80 -  the cost of 1 session of useless physcotherapy!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: e man on January 27, 2011, 05:56:34 PM
I totaly understand you CL, and waiting to read your journy. :)
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on January 29, 2011, 12:10:02 PM

Hi CL,

Not to be argumentative but you never seemed negative to me.  You have a good attitude.  I have a feeling something happened a long time ago and you can not talk about it but then you have to talk about it to someone.  Yea, that's a tough one.  About breaking down and crying it's OK to cry and let it all out.  If you friend had a serious problem and he broke down and cried would you think less of them, of course not.  You may want to talk to your sitter and tell them that strong emotion feelings may emerge.  If you got to get whatever it is out of your gut do it, get it over with then you can heal.  Sometimes ya got to tell somebody. 

Best,

Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on January 30, 2011, 02:34:10 AM
Hi Roy D,

Thanks again.  :) Im still not sure whos going to sit. Whether id feel more comfortable with the old-man or a friend. Anyways, one way or another ill make a desicion.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on February 05, 2011, 06:05:10 AM

Stage 3 complete. Very relieved that its come in the post!  8) :P  :o

Stage 1 - Talking about it for ages.
Stage 2 - Buying the ibogaine.
Stage 3 - Recieving the ibogaine.
Stage 4 - Testing with 100mg cap for sensitivty.
Stage 5 - First dose.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: GratefulDad on February 05, 2011, 04:31:47 PM
May your journey be a good one!  Good luck!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on February 05, 2011, 09:51:04 PM

Hi CL,

I'm gonna be sending you some good vibes for the next few days so don't be too surprised if everything goes fine.  It will most likely be different from what you imagined it to be.  I am wishing you the best and I am sure everyone else is.

Good Vibes coming your way,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on February 06, 2011, 03:20:22 AM
Im not taking my first proper dosage until end of april, when the old man has some time off work. Easter holidays.
Bit of an anti-climax recieving the ibogaine, but at least ill be prepared.  8) 
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: roy d on February 06, 2011, 09:01:28 PM

Hi CL,

Well you were on step #5 so I thought you were doing it.  Anyway, keep the vibes I have sent and when you need more you just let me know.

Best,

 Roy
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on February 07, 2011, 02:41:49 AM
Hey Roy D  8)

Ive just done step 3, lol.  4 is next and so on.  ;) ;)
I have a 100mg capsule as a test dose.
Going to take that a day or so before first proper dosage.

Thanks for the positive vibes man, CL.
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: Calaquendi on February 07, 2011, 05:47:25 PM
I did my first - and most intense - flood during the Easter holidays in '09. I was raised Catholic and enjoyed the services and pomp and ceremony as a child. I did not plan it this way, because I was waiting on my stuff to get here and had little influence on when it would arrive. Yet when it did, the way things unfolded with my material and my sitters etc...it so happened that I dosed on Good Friday. It was raining outside - which my mom always said had some significance. Apparently signaling the time when Christ's spirit left His body - this is kind of a traditional belief among Catholics. Anyway, I took my test dose around 3pm that day, and I was 'under' all that night and the next day too. On Sunday...Easter - I was able to get up and walk about, coming closer to baseline and reintegrating into 'reality. It was sunny and beautiful outdoors and I literally felt reborn. It did not escape me that all that coincided with my childhood teachings about the resurrection. Like I said I did not plan it this way but it had a profound and very emotional effect on me. I am not a Catholic these days, but nonetheless it was a beautiful experience to have happen that way. I went under during a grey cold rain, endured the process and cleaned out like never before - and was greeted with the most stunning sunshine I have ever seen, and a chance for a new life in front of me. Best of luck to you crazylife!
Title: Re: Advice for beginner.
Post by: crazylife on February 08, 2011, 02:23:29 AM
Thanks for sharing that Calaquendi.    8)
I am very much of the opinion that syncronicity is a constant part of my life!
Ive never been religious (although i plan on reading the bible at some point) but the weather you described during your experience would of left a massive impression on me aswell.