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Kampum :  Glad to see you around, I really hope you stick around, believe it or not, I have missed you around here.. if you do plan to stick around could you please convince entheo_newbie to come back?   Your information is valuable to us and I am about to get back to work every day here soon and just can't be here every day like I am able to in the winter.  We have had some wonderful new folks here lately and you could help out a lot.  I am very happy to see you posting and hope you are doing okay.

Much love,
lala

The modern day Fang Bwiti, integrate christianity into their worship with Iboga.  So I believe they are compatible. I think that Iboga helps you understand yourself in a much better way, which also means understanding your religious or spiritual beliefs more clearly. The impact it has on your beliefs, varies from person to person.  If you are a christian that believes in Jesus, my bet is that Iboga will bring you closer to Jesus and to those feelings.  As for revisiting trauma, I think that reviewing and feeling those wounds again will ultimately be a positive thing. 

Jordan Maxwell Reveals the Truth about Jesus and Moses (9 min)
* The legendary researcher Jordan Maxwell reveals the truth about Jesus, Moses and Christianity. Religion is a tool to keep humanity enslaved.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMJkcPNYD_U

Jordan Maxwell Religion ~ Jesus ~ Astrotheology
http://imgur.com/a/ZWF0j
http://www.jordanmaxwell.com/Religion.html

Micheal Tsarion ~ Astrotheology & Side-real Mythology
http://www.blackherbals.com/astro-theology.pdf

Jesus of Palestine Proposed term for an historical character who lived in the first Century CE, distinguished from Jesus of Nazareth, the character portrayed in the Gospels of the New Testament.

Technically speaking, the genre of the Gospels is known as "Hellenistic romance." This is a novelistic form embellished with miracle tales and supernatural aspects, very common in antiquity. Some other Hellenistic novels survive, such as the fantastic biographies of Apollonius of Tyana, an exact contemporary of the presumed Jesus, but most of them are lost, or perhaps destroyed to create the illusion of uniqueness for the Gospel narratives. In the NT the figure of Jesus is a composite, a collage of different characters: the radical rabbi who defies the Law of the Jews in order to fulfill it, the desert saint, the teacher who speaks in parables, the Zealot, the privileged scion of a Jewish royal family, the humble carpenter's son, the companion of Mary Magdalene, the freedom-fighter who takes on the Romans, the promised messiah, the mystic, the initiate from the Mysteries, the Egyptian magician and faith healer...

The most well-known composite of these diverse elements is "Jesus of Nazareth," but considered historically, the most plausible persona that can be constructed from the Gospels with the aid of existing textual and archeological evidence, particularly the evidence of the Dead Sea Scrolls, is "Jesus of Palestine." This character was a Jewish extremist supported by the Zealots and ideologically inspired by the Zaddakim, the extremist cult on the Dead Sea whose doctrines provided the kernal for the Christian salvationist program that dominates the world today. In all likelihood, Jesus of Palestine was a terrorist, or at the very least, he was protected and championed by terrorists, the Zealots.

The claim that Jesus was divine was not part of mainstream Jewish religion, but it did figure in the bizarre beliefs of the Zaddikim. For Jews who wished to see the Roman occupation overthrown and a Jewish homeland established in Palestine (the "Promised Land"), Jesus was a racial hero, a unique descendent of the House of David destined to inherit the role of King of the Jews. He was the national messiah, the man anointed to the status of kingship. Anointing with oil was a purely symbolic ceremony, a rite of empowerment for the Jewish King since the days of Saul, before 900 BCE. The King so anointed was called "Son of God," but he was not considered in any sense to be divine.

The Hebrew term messiah was translated in Greek as christos, from the verb chreien, "to anoint." Rather as happens with the parlor game Password, this conversion took the word messiah far beyond its original and literal meaning. In the mystical theology elaborated by Saint Paul and Saint John the Divine, Christos became the term for the divine being, "The Christ," embodied uniquely in the person of Jesus. The Pauline-Johannine elaboration on messiah/christos was a huge departure from the nationalist aspirations of mainstream Jews in Palestine, but it remained true to the hidden, sinister ideology of the Zaddikim cult. Over time, the Christos narrative expanded into a world-wide program of salvation. And so it remains today.

"Jesus of Nazareth" is the name that has come to be universally associated with Jesus Christ as a divine/human hybrid, the sole and unique incarnation of divinity on Earth. Who believes this will believe almost anything. As an imaginative tactic to get past this fiction, I propose "Jesus of Palestine" as an historically credible option to the human persona widely revered as the Christian Savior.

http://www.metahistory.org/LEX/lexicon_J.php

I've been reading about Gnosticism and I'm confused. Do Gnostics believe in Hell or do they believe that Hell is on this earth? Do they believe that it's temporary or permanent?

This is one of the areas where there is a unity of thought in the Gnostic tradition. There is no literal hell in the Gnostic tradition. It is a state that exists for people here. No state of being is permanent here. Hell is a state of ignorance and suffering from being subject to the forces and powers of the world. Ancient texts use metaphors of being a slave, being asleep in a nightmare, of being drunk, and even of being dead. They saw that one could be redeemed from that state to some extent while in the world. That is why it isn't accurate to say that being in the world is being in hell. One of the sacraments/mysteries listed in the Gospel of Philip is the Apolytrosis, a word meaning to be redeemed, to be bought out of slavery. There are also texts that speak of the resurrection as something we experience here and now.

It is a good question as to whether any of the early Christians believed in hell. Certainly, they did not believe in anything similar to the concept as it exists today. It had a long development in Christian culture both in art and literature, and in preaching and theology.

http://gnoscast.blogspot.com/2007/06/blog-post.html

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GNOSTIC HELL: The Gnostics (a term meaning "those who know") are members of an early Christian cult that rejected many of Christ's teachings, especially regarding the nature of matter. They believe that material creations are inherently evil and that existence on earth is equivalent to damnation in hell. Humanity therefore dwells in a state of damnation during life and can reach paradise only by ridding itself of all association with matter.

Gnosticism teaches that God is a distant being who has little contact with humankind. He did not make the world: This was done by the child of the fallen angel Sophia (meaning knowledge). Her son was a lower god who created the realm of human existence. People are thus flawed, and their good comes only from Sophia and her attempts at atoning for her sins. She is destined to be continually reborn, as Helen of Troy, Mary Magdalene, and other prominent women, until the end of time.

According to Gnostic belief, Jesus' incarnation was actually a descent into the underworld. He routs the lower god's kingdom, bringing its subjects secret knowledge, or gnosis. This enables people to attain paradise. Hell is thus a denial of the union with the higher God, not a place of corporal punishment. Since on earth we are separated from God, this life is no different from existence in hell. And because the material universe (including human life) was created by a fallen god, it too is evil. Therefore everyone must pass through the "inferno" before being saved.

A manuscript from the third century, the PISTIS-SOPHIA, describes the Gnostic nature of hell. In the text, Jesus tells Mary Magdalene that the underworld is a "huge dragon" that completely surrounds the world. Inside the dragon are "twelve dungeons of horrible torment," each containing its own overlord, a brutal DEMON who administers torture.

Christian leaders immediately condemned this teaching on several grounds. First, they rejected the concept of God as cold and aloof rather than as a loving father. Second, the hypothesis that some "lower god" had so much power over humans and their fate was illogical and baseless. Most important, Gnostic faith rendered the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ irrelevant, since his very incarnation released souls from hell. (o)

http://www.whiterosesgarden.com/Nature_of_Evil/Underworld/UNDR_hell/UNDR-H_general-desc/UNDR_gnostic_hell.htm

Christos From the Greek verb khriein, "to anoint." Literally, "the anointed." Direct equivalent to the Hebrew messiah, a title used for the anointed kings in ancient Jewish religion, and retained in specific reference to the Messiah, the awaited savior, the spiritual hero and judge.

When shortened to Christ, this is certainly the most problematic and misleading term in world religion. Discerning the Gnostic Christos from the Christian Christ is one of the essential tasks we face in recovering the true message of Pagan Mysteries.

The identification of Jesus (human) as "the Christ" (superhuman, divine, "Only-Begotten Son of God) was made by Saint Paul around 75 CE, but the divinity of Jesus Christ was not established as a doctrinal matter until the Nicean Council of 325 CE. At that event, the Emperor Constantine forced the vote so that he could meld his political power with the mystique of a fast-growing new religion, later to be known Christianity. Belief in the divinity of Jesus may be an inspiring and comforting thing to many people, but to the faux-convert Constantine it was savvy political move, a way to underwrite Roman law by divine authority. The Roman Catholic alliance of fascism with salvationist in the Divine Redeemer was to exercise a death-grip on the world for many centuries, and still does, although that grip is failing.

Before Constantine, certain Emperoros had declared themselves divine. They were viewed as arrogant fools by the general public, and rejected as charlatans by Gnostics and others among the Pagan intelligentsia. The claim to divinity of the emperors (the assumption of "divine afflatus," as it was called) was an attempt by the decadent tryants of the failing empire to steal the prestige associated with the telestai, the initiates in the Mysteries; and, to a certain extent, to imitate Alexander the Great, who was the first to attempt this ploy. Constantine was extremely clever in seeing that he could not declare himself divine, but then he didn't have to, because there was a better option: instead of declaring himself a god, he aligned himself with the Christos, the god-man.

The decline of the Mystery Schools after the Augustan Era [29 BCE - 14 CE] was in part due to a massive popular demand for a kind of personal salvation that the Mysteries (being a transpersonal path) did not offer. This demand, in turn, was part of a general movement that arose at the turn of the Age, from Aries to Pisces, around 150 BCE. The Greek astronomer is credited with discovering precession around that time, but in fact, he only disclosed publicly what had been known to initiates for centuries. This disclosure had catastrophic results, because it produced in the masses a false sense of empowerment. The conviction that everyone had a personal fate that could be changed at will was a popular assumption of the time, due to a widespread misunderstanding of the meaning of precession (change in the stars: change of fate). The massive demand for a change of personal fate led to a "New Age" movement, baptism cults, a rage for conversion. The Mysteries were unable to respond to the rampant narcissism of the moment...

One huge factor in this upsurge of narcissism (self-concern) was the emergence in the collective unconscious of a numinous figure or role model for humanity. Eventually, the image of the god-man Jesus Christ was formulated to meet this need, but it did not really satisfy it. It is an inauthentic solution to the human need for a generic sense of humanity, a species identity. Nevertheless, the solution persisted, and, having become ingrown to human dignity, now presents an enormous obstacle to defining and realizing our generic sense of humanity.

In strict usage, the Gnostic Christos ought not to be equated with the Pauline Christ, the Incarnation, or the Joannine Christ, the Word Made Flesh.

    The confusion of the Gnostic Aeon Christos with the Christ of doctrinal Christianity is one of the greatest obstacles to a clear understanding of Gnostic cosmology and psycho-mythology.

The Aeon Christos who figures in the Gaia Mythos is not the same as Christ in Pauline-Joannine theology. It is completely wrong to attribute the qualities and powers of "Jesus the Christ" to that Aeon, that Pleromic entity. It is also incorrect to suppose that the true and original teachings of Christianity were Gnostic, and were transmitted by initiates who knew the true identity of the Aeon Christos, but then these teachings came to be twisted and muddled by lesser minds who siezed upon the illuminist message for personal and political gain. The doctrines concerning Christ, as constrasted to the illuminist message about Christos, were perverse from the outset. Christian doctrines of salvation and divine intervention cannot be salvaged by the argument that they contain the germ of true illuminist teachings. Not should they be, in my opinion.

Throughout this site Christos will be used in rigorous and deliberate distinction from Christ.

Radical Gnostic teaching denies that Christ is a superhuman agent, a redeemer sent by the Father God, once and once only. It denies the Incarnation, and challenges the claim that any human or superhuman being can represent humanity. No entity has that privilege. Gnostics taught the recognition of the Anthropos, primal precreated humanity, not Christ in the conventional sense. And Christ does not represent the Anthropos. Humanity as a species represents the Anthropos, but no single entity represents humanity.

Christos in the Pauline cult was derived from the Messiah of Zaddikim ideology: it is a superhuman standard, associated with a deviant and inauthentic model of human potential. The sectarian ideal of Tzaddik implies a formula of absolute righteousness that cannot be judged by human standards. The particular spin of Tzaddik is the demand that humans be held to a superhuman criterion, a model of perfection that originates beyond life on Earth. Since it is impossible to meet this standard, the destruction of humankind is required, yet those who have been faithful to Tzaddik, although falling short of it, will be supernaturally restored to life in an afterworld provided by the Father God.

The diabolical logic of the Qumranic sectarians was carried over intact into Christianity, and the model of supernatural perfection transferred to the figure of Jesus Christ. Today devout Christians believe that JC presents an unattainable ideal — he was, after all, divine before he was human — but in the very act of striving for the impossible we better ourselves as human beings. The imitatio Christi is considered to be a perfectly logical ideal, and, because the operative belief here involves a superhuman being, the ideal has a potent preclusive effect: considering how we might live up to an impossible model, we tend to ignore and discount models that show us what is really possible for our species. In other words the superhuman ideal, although it seems to elevate our sense of human potential, actualy impedes our ability to self-actualize (in Maslovian terms). It cripples our evolutionary development, even as if seems to inspire us to the highest levels of moral and spiritual attainment.

Gnostics recognized that the superhuman ideal of Tzaddik, transferred into the figure of the Divine Redeemer, actually works against humanity's efforts at self-actualization. This erroneous spiritual ideal defeats our true spiritual potential, our capacity to develop the wisdom endowment of nous, divine intelligence. Gnostics attributed this thwarting affect to the scheming of the Archons who insinuate a false ideal in our minds, thus obscuring our innate sense of the true potential of our species.

In the Sophia Mythos, Christos is the Aeon of the Pleroma often coupled with Sophia. In one version of the myth, Christos and Sophia are paired in the Pleroma, making a syzygy, a divine dyad. They are said to emanate the Anthropos, the template for humanity. Hence they are a version of the divine parents (twinned). My retelling of Gnostic cosmology in the Gaia Mythos uses this motif.

In a further development of the Mythos, Sophia is said to have been unable to manage the rampant life-forms that emerged and swarmed over her body once she metamorphosed into the living planet, Earth. Looking on from the galactic rore, the Pleromic gods responded by sending the Aeon Christos into the chaotic matrix of the biosphere. The paraphrase of this episode found in Irenaeus says that Christos "imparted a figure" to Sophia, thus allowing her to bring the rampant species into order. Today we would say that Christos "configured" for Sophia the instinctive intelligence of the myriad species, so that they could become self-sufficient, each type of animal life following its own innate biological program.

The intervention of the Aeon Christos had effects for the entire biosphere, and affected the human species in a particular way as well. See Mijotes.

http://www.metahistory.org/LEX/lexicon_C.php