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General Discussion / Re: Farewell Eboka
« on: March 26, 2013, 12:11:13 PM »
Hi Eboka,

I take it as consequential my withdrawal from the forum, by majority of members agreeing that I am wrong. It would be counter productive for all, for me to advise one thing and then the rest of member advise totally different approach.

@ Kambogahuascanga,
- you are my virtual shaman, I respect you a lot. You introduced me to Kambo, and guided me through first applications, I am grateful more then you can imagine.

@ Calaquendi
 - I read your post, and agree with you.   But the moderators and majority think otherwise.

I think the wheel has been reinvented as how to use the Ibogaine. I disagree with this approach, yet II will still read the posts, since there is a lots of useful info, but will not be posting.

thank,
Jox

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General Discussion / Farewell Eboka
« on: March 18, 2013, 09:30:27 PM »
Hi Eboka Nation,

I have been pondering for days if and how to write this, I decided to do it out of the respect for the forum where I have spend some of my time, and got a lot of information, and made a lot of friends.

I was out of the forum for few months, and came back to find out that most of my "friends" are gone... strange feeling...

Yet I see that the forum, IMHO is not going where it should, and to be specific I am talking about the flooding: in plain English it is from 12mg to 20mg x kg, and it is given as test dose and then after 2 hours the rest.  This is it, as it was explained in a sticky, on this very forum. Why not stick to the "sticky"? lol just to break the ice a little.

I saw a lots of loose and strange advises on how to flood: this makes the forum go to place of confusion. Lack of accurate dosing gives wrong results, and a lots of hope and money is lost. 

Yet I see that moderators advise all kinds of doses for a full flood. I think it is wrong and irresponsible.

so Farewell Eboka

Jox


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Eboka Journals / Re: Iboga flood spiritual purposes. The long road.
« on: February 21, 2013, 07:23:57 PM »
Hi,

I am trying to understand something that is not clear to me: you did 1g of TA every four hours?
Who did you get that procedure from?
Did you do the extraction yourself? If not, did your provider advise this way of administration?

Jox

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Eboka Talk / Re: Flooding tomorrow
« on: February 21, 2013, 12:13:12 PM »
HI Theghostofbillhicks,

I am so sorry that it didn't work out as planned.

But s****t happens, to all of us all the time. In my case we wasted our last hcl doing it rectally and it didn't work out. I wasted 250US$ worth of bark, by fucking up my extractions...

So relax now, I am sure you had some benefits... and then slowly analyze what happened in a new thread.

take care
Jox

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General Discussion / Re: Ibogaine hcl and TA regimine
« on: February 18, 2013, 12:40:13 PM »
@ BlueTiger,

actually we resemble each other, when I speak as you just did Kambogahuasca Panacea call it unfiltered comments, it was cracking me up, and ever since I tried to be more...

but I know what you mean, ego death was not the main point of my comment at all, it is not ego death as in DMT, or mushrooms, I wrote a lot about this in my posts.

I practice Zen, and had been in psychoanalysis for years, do yoga and S/M as complements to the plants teachings, I am not looking for brake through on plants, whatever that may mean.

@ Kambogahuasca Panacea

I think we should have a clear terminology, especially for the new comers. If we use "full flood" it should mean something, if we use "microdosing" it should mean something. If not we will have people taking a table spoon of root bark and calling it full flood on root.

No doubt there are many ways of doing treatments, boosters, follow ups, what not... but we should have a clear terminology and stick to it.

Jox

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General Discussion / Re: Ibogaine hcl and TA regimine
« on: February 17, 2013, 07:29:40 PM »
After the test dose do it all at once, if you have a sitter. I don't agree with those who are advising in taking it in many portions... you totally loose the momentum and ego death... it's a waste...

Jox

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Eboka Talk / Re: What to drink during a flood?
« on: February 15, 2013, 10:27:52 AM »
Maybe we are not refering to the same when saying full flood... full hcl flood 15mg x 1 kg, one can't pass saliva for at least 12 hours... My provider never gives water... and she did thousands patients in past 7 years...

Jox

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Eboka Talk / Re: What to drink during a flood?
« on: February 14, 2013, 11:10:26 AM »
IHMO nothing, 3 hours before the full flood, and 16 after no ANY LIQUID, if one has access to IV minerals and vitamins... but nothing through the digestive tract.  Even passing saliva is difficult...

Jox

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General Discussion / Re: What do you do for a living?
« on: February 13, 2013, 11:43:01 AM »
I am disabled to work by being ill with fibromyalgia, which is permanent pain. I receive $ from the gov.

My job is to keep myself as healthy as I can, physically and mentally, not to burden the universe nor my friends nor my partner with my limitations. My job is to make sense of existence of living corpse that is going to drag itself for a long time, since there is no cure. My job is to have a faith that one day I will get better or well. My job is to have dreams, yet to accept that in present time I am limited to barely minimum action.

Jox

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Eboka Talk / Re: 1.5g of TA Question
« on: February 01, 2013, 07:50:06 PM »
thanks for the input.

My gut feeling is that I would not see anything as profound and life changing as what iboga gave me in my first flood.


You are right, it will not be, simply it is not enough. So microdose it, this will be better IMHO.

x Jox

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Eboka Talk / Re: 1.5g of TA Question
« on: January 31, 2013, 11:47:59 PM »
Hi ddraig,

If you do Ibogiane hcl is arround 15mg x 1kg.

With TA, one has no idea how much active alkaloids is taking, but your count of alkaloids of TA is wrong, but the active compounds in TA are below 50%.

Light floods can be problematic, and not good. I read a lots of problems with TA, since half way trips are worst then full flood. I am big promoter of full floods, or microdosing, nothing inbetween though. Also against TA, alone, just added to hcl as base....

Also I don't know if freezing it does any good to extend the shelf life of active alkaloids...

After all, if this is all you have, do the whole thing, even without the test dose. Have a sitter....

If you are afraid of a bad trip then don't do it, and save it when you have more of the real thing and add it to it. I don't know how to microdose with TA, but that may be a choice too.

good luck
Jox

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Eboka Pharmacology, Research and Clinical Findings / NO GRAPEFRUIT
« on: December 05, 2012, 03:55:05 PM »
Hi all Eboka Nation,

we all know that grapefruit should not be mixed with Iboga(aine), but check this report I found on one cite:

Grapefruits can trigger overdoses in dozens of medicines researchers warn

Millions of people taking medicines for high cholesterol, cancer and to prevent heart attacks are at risk of potentially life threatening side effects if they eat grapefruits, doctors have warned.

By Rebecca Smith | The Telegraph – 5 hours ago

A study has listed 43 major drugs which are affected by eating grapefruits or drinking the juice and experts have warned there needs to be more awareness of the risks.

The number of drugs that interact with grapefruit increased from 17 in 2000 to 43 in 2008, researchers in Canada found.

Eating one grapefruit a day or drinking 200ml of juice was enough to trigger significant side effects in some of the patients.

Elderly patients were at particular risk because they are more likely to eat grapefruit and be on the medicines that interact with it, while their bodies are less able to cope with the effects of an overdose, the researchers said.

Grapefruits and some other citrus fruits, contain specific chemicals that affects an enzyme in the gut which can lead to a greater proportion of the drug being absorbed into the body.

This can result in massive overdoses causing serious side effects ranging from hallucinations, low blood pressure, to kidney poisoning, muscle damage, high heart rate and breathing problems.

The findings were published in the Canadian Medical Association Journal.

Some people have died following the interaction and experts said doctors and pharmacists needed to be more aware of the problem.

The study, conducted by Dr David Bailey, of the Lawson Health Research Institute, in London, Ontario, listed several examples of interactions including one patient who suffered a potentially life threatening increase in heart rate while on the heart disease drug aimodarone and drinking between one and 1.5 litres of grapefruit juice a day.

Another one atorvastatin for high cholesterol suffered serious muscle damage after drinking freshly squeezed grapefruit juice daily for five days and one who developed a blood clot while on Ethinylestradiol, a form of hormone replacement therapy for menopause symptoms who had eaten a whole grapefruit at breakfast for three days.

Popular drugs affected in this way include simvastatin, taken for high cholesterol, clopidogrel to thin the blood, Tyverb for breast cancer, domperidone for sickness and powerful painkillers Fentanyl, Oxycodone and Ketamine.

One drug, dextromethorphan, is an anti-cough preparation used in over-the-counter products and other drugs that interact with grapefruit are some antibiotics, some anti-HIV drugs, quinine that is in tonic water and has been used against malaria, heart rhythm medicines, and anti-rejection drugs used following organ transplants.

For some drugs drinking 200ml of juice daily was enough to deliver three to six times the normal dose.

Dr Bailey said: "Many of the drugs that interact with grapefruit are highly prescribed and are essential for the treatment of important or common medical conditions.

"Unless health care professionals are aware of the possibility that the adverse event they are seeing might have an origin in the recent addition of grapefruit to the patient's diet, it is very unlikely that they will investigate it.

"In addition, the patient may not volunteer this information. Thus, we contend that there remains a lack of knowledge about this interaction in the general healthcare community."

The grapefruit effect can work in both ways, to reduce the amount of drug absorbed by the body, or to increase it, as was studied in this research.

Prof Simon Maxwell, Clinical Lead of Prescribing at the British Pharmacological Society and Professor of Clinical Pharmacology at the University of Edinburgh, said: "There are a lot of drugs on the list, including some very important high volume ones. But they represent a minuscule fraction of the compounds out there.

"Serious interactions are not a massive problem in Britain but we are probably not talking to our patients about it enough and awareness amongst doctors is definitely not high enough."

He said some of the interactions were theoretical such as dextromethorphan used in some cough mixtures as the amount of the active drug used in those medicines was very low. Also, despite quinine in tonic water being listed as having caused a serious reaction in one patient, Prof Maxwell said this was likely to be extremely rare.

Prof Maxwell said researchers should investigate if the grapefruit effect could be harnessed so lower doses of these drugs could be prescribed with the juice to allow the same clinical effect from less of the active medicine.

But this would be complicated and costly to study he said.

Leyla Hannbeck, Head of Pharmacy at the National Pharmacy Association said: “Grapefruit juice and fresh grapefruit can interfere with the action of a range of prescription and non-prescription drugs.

"In some cases this can result in potentially dangerous levels of the active ingredient in the blood.

"So if you have any concerns about how your diet could affect your medicines ask your pharmacist for advice. A face-to-face discussion with the pharmacist can be the key to safer and more effective medicines use.”

Ten drugs affected by grapefruits and the side effects it can cause:

Tyverb, for breast cancer – fast heart rate and bone marrow problems

Amiodarone, to prevent blood clots after surgery – fast heart rate

Clopidogrel, to thin the blood – becomes less effective

Dronedarone, for heart rhythm disorder atrial fibrillation – fast heart rate

Rivaroxaban, a blood thinning tablet to prevent stroke – stomach bleeding

Buspirone, for anxiety – dizziness and sedation

Fentanyl given orally for pain relief – slows breathing

Domperidone, for sickness – fast heart rate

Atorvastatin for high cholesterol – kidney poisoning

Simvastatin for high cholesterol – kidney poisoning

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Hi all,

check out this cite:

http://www.bltc.com/

it is interesting, it talks about pleasure form Darwinian and neurosicientific direction.

It is writen by David Pearce, and his online book "The Hedonistic Imperative", I am reading now, not sure if I like it... But the bltc.com has a lots of sicentific links regarding pleasure, addictions, it is good as a resource...

Jox

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Phantastica,

I am so sorry about this negative experience. I wonder what can be done so more people don't get burned this way.

xJox

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Tanya,

you say I wouldn't try "even microdosing". I my experience and my husband, microdosing is MUCH MORE PROBLEBATIC, then a full flood. I posted several posts:

- it increases nightmares
- can produce anxiety, confusioin...

Microdosing sounds safe, yet it is not, full flood can be safer, of course if you don't have mental illness.

Jox

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