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General Discussion / Re: Hi! My name is Eon, and I'm addicted to cigarettes
« on: February 27, 2010, 11:30:11 AM »
Smaller doses of iboga may help, and for me, it made them taste horrible for weeks, after maybe half of a normal flood dose..  After a full flood dose, I quit cigarettes, but it still took me 5 months.  I just gradually began waiting longer and longer before I let that urge take over.  I had cut from a pack a day, to about a half a pack.  I then slowly reduced by a cig or two a day, until I was not even buying them, but bumming a smoke once or twice a day.  I also took a small chillum (straight small cannabis pipe), and would take a couple tokes off that (cannabis) to help with the oral fixation and urge to smoke.  It tasted a hell of a lot better, and I soon had quit cigarettes for 3 years..

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Eboka Talk / Re: Ibo in Mexico
« on: February 26, 2010, 02:19:51 PM »
I went to Sara's house in the Netherlands, back in March of 2004.  I went to kick methadone, and with everything included, for 1 week, (and she would have kept me longer had I wanted or needed to stay) I paid about $2300 total.  She charged me a very cheap price, and just wanted to help.  Mind you, I did not pay her all of that $2300.  That included plane tickets that were maybe around $600 round trip?  Hard to remember..  It also included my food, drinks, the cannabis I bought, and hash.  Cigarettes, and pretty much everything you could think of, for around $2300.  Now this was 6 years ago, and times have changed, there is inflation, and lots to consider, however, she treated me with utmost respect, even though I had really nothing.  She took care of me through the entire experience, checked on me, brought me a vomit bucket, helped me to and from the bathroom, and brought me teas or things to drink.  She made me food, and sat with me to talk about everything and anything my heart felt.  

Now to me, this is such a priceless thing, in and of itself, that had I had it, I would have easily paid her double.  She took me into her home, as an addict and sent me away a changed person, yet she didn't know me from Adam.  I cannot express enough thanks to her, and can't say how much she charges, but I do know she is very loving, caring, and experienced with iboga, and is probably one of the cheaper/est options.  With that being said, she doesn't have a fully equipped medical facility, although she is not far from a hospital should the need arise.  

For someone extremely worried about having a full medical staff, with training in dealing with pre-screening, post ibo treatment counseling, booster doses as need, and any other sort of in depth medical and counseling treatment options, I could easily see these prices reaching $5-10K, depending on the amenities of the center.  Sara did screen me herself, asked me questions and got to know me through emails and by telephone before she took me, and she gave me a real break on the cost, cause I was desperate, and she saw something in me (she even offered me a booster afterward, which I was kinda scared to take after what I had just went through, so declined).  She was very easy to talk to and listened to me express my feelings and talked about addiction with me, and all about the effects of the iboga, as well as other plant medicines she used.  She was very concerned with how I felt and what I needed, and that was enough for me.

I had been on a methadone program for 3.5 years and tried a bunch of clinical detoxes before that, so I had run the gamut of counseling sessions and AA/NA meetings, and various forms of individual counseling in the methadone program.  All these things helped prepare me for what I wanted to get from iboga, and even though I still tried to use, when I returned home, it didn't feel the same, and I knew that I didn't want to fuck up the opportunity I had been given.  I straightened out, and gave up the opiates, gave up cigarettes within 5 months, gave up sweets and sodas, within weeks.  I had 5 full years, with some of the happiest times, and those in which I truly felt, and connected with a much higher self.  

So that's what I have to say about Sara, and the cost of treatment.  I believe I was blessed to get a deal as tremendous as that, and it truly changed mine and my family's lives for the better.

So my update after the 5 years..

Last year, I unfortunately broke a clavicle, and there is not much they can do for that type of injury, except medicate.  Well, I gave up buying the damn pills (Vicodin) from the high priced doctor that I had to take 4 times a day, at least, and started using much cheaper poppy pods.  Worked great for pain, one dose lasted all day, and I healed.  It ain't set right, but hey, it is back together, and I still have full range of motion.  Anyways, I have stopped the pods and reduced my dose to 30 mgs of morphine sulfate a day.  I have extracted ibogaine 3 times myself (each time getting more pure), and have found a very simple yet efficient way to make a very potent, even purified extract from root bark.  

This time I am gonna rely on a family member to sit for me, and I am much more confident in myself with iboga.  It doesn't seem to really frighten me, unless I sit and read all kinds of warnings, which I know are serious and relevant, but it almost makes me become a hypochondriac.  Hell, I took a low dose of iboga, maybe half of a flood dose, back in December, but never got the visions and my withdrawal came back pretty strong, so I wasn't successful (maybe partially, seeing as I did step my maintenance dose way down).  This time I have made a much more pure extract, and am going to better prepare for the experience.  I also have enough for at least two full flood doses, so I should have plenty, even if I don't hold it all down.  

Disclaimer/Warning:

Ibogaine is very serious medicine, and for anyone, even a healthy individual, all relevant medical tests should be done, such as (but not limited to) ECG/EKG, liver/kidney function tests, and even checks for cardiovascular health.  One should be fully aware of any types of medications, as well as supplements, and even certain foods, that could interfere with an ibogaine session.  If/when you do find a provider, please tell them everything and anything you have taken, including vitamins, supplements, herbs, homeopathic herbs/medicines, and any drugs, period.  

Now having said this, people will still want to try it themselves, so there are a bunch of things to research, and a few people you may want to speak with about various things you are unsure of.  This medicine is still in very experimental stages, and not everyone knows how to treat every situation with ibogaine.  Different providers take different approaches, and hopefully they communicate it as well as possible with other providers, so there can be as much information and ideas as possible when encountering strange circumstances.  

I found Dr. Kamlet's speech from the ibogaine conference very informative about how the body/heart reacts and certain treatments that are given, rather than traditional things while under the influence of ibogaine, that many emergency room doctors would almost definitely not know.  So please, if anyone does decide to go this alone, with a trusted and informed loved one as a sitter, please do as much research as you possibly can together, ask as many questions as you need to here and anywhere that you possibly can that is related to ibogaine, and please take all the precautions you can.  

We don't need to lose ANYONE (else) with this medicine!!

Hope this helps!

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I have posted the whole extraction a couple times, but I will add it in it's entirety again, with some added notes on purification from an old email from Howard Lotsof at the end.

It also contains even better measurements than the original tek I posted, when it comes to using the acetone and hydrochloric (aka muriatic) acid.

The extra purity for pure ibogaine HCl, may need a couple more supplies, but IMHO  , is not needed, unless someone just really wants to be sure and use 98%+ pure ibogaine HCl.

So here it is again:

Okay, new UPDATED tek with added tips:

The Extraction:

What you need: Plain white distilled vinegar, a stainless steel, ceramic, HDPE 2, or non-reactive container, janitorial strength (10%+) non-sudsy ammonia, distilled water, a funnel, coffee filters, old t-shirt, and the iboga bark.

A clear, non-reactive container for performing the extraction helps a lot, when watching the reactions, BTW.

Optional for added purity: Acetone, muriatic acid (28-36% HCl), and Everclear  (95% pure ethanol), maybe baked epsom salts aka magnesium sulfate (not 100% necessary).

1: Take the bark, and make sure it's as fine of a powder as possible.

2: Add enough vinegar to thoroughly cover the bark. A good measurement for the vinegar is about 5 times the amount (volume) of vinegar to the weight of bark.

In this instance 40g of bark times 5 would be about 200 mls of vinegar per soak. One may need slightly more in the first couple extractions to thoroughly cover the bark, and excess can be used safely, however it will lengthen the time of filtering later, so try and keep the volumes minimal.

3: The bark can be stirred occasionally, and left to sit for at least one hour.

Adding heat makes the bark harder to filter, and isn't necessary.

4: After an hour has passed, one needs to filter the bark from the vinegar with a cloth t-shirt. Squeeze out the bark to gather all the vinegar and save this.

The bark is then returned to the container for another soak. This should be done 4 times to be sure to get out all the alkaloids. (One can taste the bark when dried to see if any bitterness remains, however, after 4 soaks, it seemed to remove nearly all the bitterness from the bark for me.)

5: While letting the bark soak again, as in the previous steps, filter the collected vinegar through coffee filters.

This can take a long time to filter, since the coffee filters clog easily, and may need to be replaced often. Have patience though. If you can leave it sitting in the funnel, with a filter, the juice will eventually pass through. This filtering isn't 100% necessary but it will help remove all the finest plant particles from the solution, so the initial extraction will come out cleaner, so it's a good idea, IMO.

6: Once all the vinegar has been collected and filtered through a coffee filter, you have two options.

The first would be to evaporate the vinegar a bit, by using low heat and a fan. Under boiling (do not boil!) is fine to reduce the vinegar, and will make it easier to deal with less liquid. A fan blowing over a heater vent worked well for me. You don't want to evaporate it to thickness, though, just enough to make it easy to work with in a smaller container.

The second option is to skip the evaporation and proceed directly to the next step, which can save time.

7: Once you have all your vinegar collected, and evaporated a good bit, if you choose, you are ready to add the ammonia. You can slowly pour ammonia into the vinegar, to make it basic. pH  papers/pens aren't needed, but if used, just make sure the pH  is above 10.1. Ibogaine's pKa is 8.1. (from sources on the internet)

As you add the ammonia, the solution will heat slightly, and you will see cloudy precipitate forming. You can add more ammonia, to be sure, as too much won't hurt, it will just add to the amount of solution that needs to be filtered, which can take awhile.

8: Now, if left to settle (can take a few hours), the precipitate (freebase total alkaloids) will sink to the bottom of the container. The majority of the clear solution at the top can be siphoned off, and filtered to be sure no precipitate is in it.

If it looks clear (tea colored, still), not cloudy though, all the precipitate should have sunken to the bottom. By removing a large portion of the upper clear (tea colored) water, this will allow you to have much less solution to filter out your alkaloids.

You can save everything you siphoned off and add more ammonia later, to be sure you got out all the freebase alkaloids, but it didn't seem to make any difference for me.

9: Now you can filter the muddy, alkaloid containing solution through coffee filters.

Filtering this can take a good bit as the precipitate begins to clog the filter, but again, be patient, as the solution will eventually pass through the filter completely. This may take overnight, so don't worry if it takes a long time. Once you have filtered the solution, you can set aside the clear tea colored water for later, to add more ammonia, just to be sure you collected all the precipitate.

10: You should now have a coffee filter with all the brown freebase precipitate stuck to it. You should then add a liberal amount of distilled water to the filter in the funnel. You will THOROUGHLY rinse the precipitate with the distilled water to wash away any extra impurities (ammonium acetate).

Again, waiting for the water to pass through the alkaloid coated coffee filter may take awhile, so just have patience.

11: This precipitate can then be placed in front of a fan with a warm air current, away from UV light, and left to dry.

This is now your crude (estimated from Chris' notes at 40-50% pure) freebase total alkaloid extract. This can be capped when dry and used as is, and should be much cleaner than the simple vinegar extraction. However, for those that want it more pure, there are two options.

First option:

1: Take the filter with the dried crusty precipitate and break up the precipitate to a fine powder. You can use the same filter, or take a new one and place it in a funnel that is plugged (I use a two liter bottle with the bottom cut off for a funnel, so capping the opening can seal it, but a finger may be used). Add the crushed precipitate to the plugged funnel and saturate it with vinegar to dissolve as much as possible.

2: Let the vinegar sit in the filter with the precipitate, maybe stir it around a bit in the filter, then let it drain through, and save the vinegar.

Be careful not to poke a hole in the filter while stirring/agitating.

3: You can repeat with fresh vinegar another time, and collect all the vinegar.

4: Add ammonia to the vinegar again, to precipitate the alkaloids, which should be even cleaner this time.

5: Re-filter out all the alkaloids, rinse thoroughly with distilled water, and let dry as above.

This can now be used as is and should be even cleaner.


Second (more involved) option, for much more pure TA:

Okay so you have your brown precipitate in your coffee filter, now dried up, from the first portion of the extraction.

1: You now, take your acetone and add 15-18 mls of acetone per gram of freebase TA extract (brown freebase powder), and soak freebase in the filter with it. You can stir around the precipitate in the filter (again be careful not to poke a hole in it), and wash it two or three times with the SAME acetone. Do not go over 18 mls per gram of brown TA freebase, but be sure to soak as much color from the solid as possible. The filter should contain any bark crud, and any other impurities, when finished.

This will remove the alkaloids from the solid filtrand (insoluble plant gunk that's left in the filter), since the freebase is soluble in acetone. Chris Jenks says about 50-60% of the crud is left behind as insoluble plant material.

2: Take your muriatic acid (hydrogen chloride in a water solution, aka hydrochloric acid in solution), and add it very slowly, to the acetone. You must do this drop wise, and watch as the precipitate forms. (One milliliter for each six grams of TA) is added in small portions, slowly, until the precipitation of the solid begins.

If you own a pH  tester, when the acetone is at pH  6.1, 99% of the ibogaine should be converted to the HCl salt form, and precipitate out, or be caught in the tiny amount of water that the HCl is mixed with (with 1 ml of muriatic acid, the water is negligible). This can be filtered out, and the tiny bit of water separated, and left to evaporate to be sure to recover all the iboga alkaloid HCl salts (wasn't necessary for me).

Adding too much acid with water can start to redissolve the iboga TA HCl. You can add a few drops at a time, and watch as the precipitate forms. When it stops forming, you can place this into the fridge, to chill for a few hours (overnight may be better), before filtering, and this will increase the yield.

3: Filter out the iboga PTA HCl.

This is nearly pure TA HCl, but there may be a bit left in the acetone, and other residual alkaloids will also be in the acetone. You can evaporate some of the acetone with a fan and low heat (no flames please), then remove any acidic water from the acetone (drying with baked epsom salts, aka magnesium sulfate, then filtering them out can be done but doesn't increase the yield much), and let it evaporate to collect anything there. Then treat the reduced acetone with the muriatic acid again (a drop or two), and harvest any more crystals of iboga PTA HCl that precipitate. Filter it out as well and add it to the first precipitate.

Another option would be to gas HCl acid though the acetone to precipitate the iboga PTA HCl crystals, but this can be covered later, if anyone is really interested. I haven't tried this with ibogaine HCl, but am pretty sure it'd work fine, although it is more difficult and requires a few more supplies.

4: If you would like pure ibogaine HCl, without the other alkaloids, you can take the iboga TA HCl crystals, and dissolve it in boiling ethanol.

The boiling ethanol should be added drop wise, just until all the ibogaine HCl has dissolved.

5: This ethanol solution is then left to cool in the fridge and the ibogaine will recrystallize.

This will make the ibogaine HCl form much more pure crystals and can remove some of the ibogamine/ibogaline if still present in the precipitate.

It is not necessary unless going for 98%+ purity, and repeated recrystallization can yield very pure ibogaine HCl, but can cost a bit of yield. The ibogaline and ibogamine have very similar action as ibogaine and may also provide similar effects, so are fine for using for a session.

(There are more added notes below for those chemistry nuts that want PURE ibogaine HCl.)

When this is dry, it is ready to take.

6: For those who want to recover all the alkaloids, so they can take a complete total alkaloid extract (or Purified Total Active Alkaloid extract, aka PTAA) of high purity, they should take the acetone that they salted/precipitated out the ibogaine HCl, and evaporate it in front of a fan with warm air current.

The resulting leftover alkaloids will be an unstable oil.

7: Dissolve this oil in distilled water.

8: Add ammonia to this water with the oil dissolved into it.

You will again see the freebase residual alkaloids precipitate out of the water/ammonia solution.

9: Filter out the freebase alkaloids, and rinse again thoroughly with distilled water.

10: Let the freebase residual alkaloids dry completely.

You can then add your freebase residual alkaloids to your PTA HCls, and capsulize it. Freebases will be converted to the HCl salts in your stomach, so turning them into the HCl salt before ingesting is probably unnecessary.

This Purified Total Active Alkaloid extract, or PTAA, should be considered very pure (as is the PTA, minus a few other active alkaloids), and a 15-20 mg/kg dose of this (mainly for addiction treatment at this level) is just as powerful, if not more so, as the pure ibogaine HCl, so estimate your dosage with this extract accordingly. This is powerful medicine and going higher than 25 mg/kg could cause complications, so don't be a hero. This also lasts in the system for months, so it's recommended not to take another flood dose within 60-90 days minimum, to be safe.

This is optional and has not been tried by myself, so if Chris or anyone out there thinks there are any updates, more details, or improvements, please feel free to add them, as the final purification to pure ibogaine HCl, was not my goal, just a much more pure TA.

Further purification notes, for those wanting pure ibogaine HCl, without the added alkaloids, from here: http://www.puzzlepiece.org/ibogaine/032899.html

Purification of ibogaine from the total alkaloids.

The total alkaloids from the extraction step is dissolved in ethyl acetate
(minimum) and treated with norite (measurements anyone?), filtered and evaporated to dryness. The residue is dissolved in hot ethanol. After chilling for two or three days, the crude ibogaine is filtered and the filtrate is evaporated to half volume, chilled for one day and a second crop of ibogaine is collected.

The crude ibogaine is recrystallized from ethanol. This product is dissolved in toluene and filtered through three times its weight of neutral alumina(activity 1), and the column washed with toluene. Evaporation of the solvent crystallization of the residue from ethanol yields a pure sample of ibogaine.

Ibogaine hydrochloride

To a stirred solution of ibogaine in minimum acetone is added aqueous HCl
(1:1) dropwise (excess). The crystalline ibogaine hydrochloride separates
immediately. The product is filtered and washed with acetone. It is
recrystallized from ethanol yielding a white salt.

Extra tips:

Norite: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norite

Ethyl Acetate: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethyl_acetate

Also, this further purification requires a chromatography column, neutral alumina to pack the column, and toluene, so it may be a bit more difficult for the kitchen chemist without the proper tools.. It also lacks measurements, and details, so I'd need to play around to find them myself.

Honestly, the added purification is not really needed, especially if one only wants a Purified TA or PTAA. It is only necessary if 98%+ pure ibogaine HCl is desired.

Hope this has everything anyone needs, but I can help out if anyone has any questions, up to the further purification, as I don't have a chromatography column, and didn't have enough bark to waste any of the extra alkaloids from the root bark.

I haven't tried to extract pure ibogaine HCl since the PTA/PTAA that comes out, looks plenty clean, removes all the plant material, makes the dosage easy to calculate, and may be easier on sensitive stomachs, although nausea is still common with even the pure alkaloids.

I have read that the pure ibogaine HCl is even more gentle on the stomach, but haven't had the experience myself, so I can't give a personal account.

If any experts out there have any critiques for the updated tek, please feel free to add whatever you can. Big thanks to Chris Jenks!! Also, thanks to panoramix over at the DMT-Nexus.com for helping add some measurements for the purification.

I've tried to make this as clear and detailed as possible, and watching Chris' presentation from the ibogaine conference can help with pictures, for those who are visual learners..

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4730969 (This one has the extraction by Chris Jenks, with pictures and his description. He starts 1:00:00 in, but plenty of good info before hand.)

Best of luck to everyone, and please use this with utmost respect and responsibility, as we don't need to lose ANYONE (else) with this medicine!

Okay, that is the final draft as of now. I hope that incorporates any of the things that Chris brought up, and I hope it is more clear in each step with better terminology. I will explain later how to make a little contraption to bubble HCl gas through the acetone to precipitate the iboga alkaloid HCl's without having any water, which might improve purity and yield from the start, but this will be when I can get around to finding more time to type it up in a decent manner.

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General Discussion / Re: Withdrawal from different substances
« on: February 19, 2010, 03:50:31 PM »
I have kind of been stuck at 30 mgs of morphine sulfate a day.  It's MS Contin, which is extended release.  I do bite em up a good bit before swallowing them, though.  I am wondering how long I should wait before doing iboga.  I normally take my dose around the same time each day, have been sleeping and waking normally, and using the bathroom regularly, so there are no real issues to speak of.  The pills I have are 30 mgs of morphine sulfate.  I tried to divide the pill several times but as small as I can guesstimate, dropping 5 mgs in a day, definitely gives noticeable withdrawal after about 8-12 hours.  

I haven't been able to chop the pills small enough to keep a steady decrease, and was wondering if I should continue to try and step down, perhaps by dissolving the crushed pills in say 300 mls of water.  That would make each 100 mls, 10 mgs of morphine.  I was thinking dropping 2-5 mgs every 3-5 days, but am wondering if it's even worth it to try and go lower, since 30 mgs seems pretty low, already.  I don't want to suffer any withdrawal, and dropping 1/4 of a pill at a time (7.5 mgs) definitely causes withdrawal, but dividing the pills evenly into such small pieces is difficult.

I have 5.8 g crude freebase iboga alkaloids, from 68 grams of bark.  It has been kept dry, in a sealed, opaque container in the freezer, since it was made a few weeks ago.  I was planning on taking about half, for my flood dose, which would be about 2.9 grams, which I estimate to be about half actual iboga alkaloids.  So it would be around 1.4-1.5 g of actual iboga alkaloids.  I know I am not allergic to iboga, as I have taken it twice, and am wondering if I still should take a test dose?

Also, should I spread the dose out over a period of time, or should I take the whole flood dose at once?  Is 24 hours since my last slightly chewed up dose of MS Contin (extended release morphine sulfate), a decent amount of time?  I usually wake up with minor withdrawal symptoms, like chills and goosebumps, although, I am far from in full withdrawal.  I imagine by 48 hours after my last dose, I would be in full withdrawal, but at this point, it may be hard for me to swallow several capsules and keep them down, as the withdrawal makes me much more likely to vomit, and causes diarrhea.  I guess I am looking for any suggestions in dosage and how long to wait before dosing.

Once again, I have 5.8 g of freebase alkaloids, from 68 grams of bark.  In the same extraction I used, Chris Jenks says after dissolving the freebase in acetone, about 50-60% of that is left as an insoluble plant material, meaning that my 5.8 grams is probably about 2.9 grams of actual iboga alkaloids, total.  I was guessing half of this would be plenty for a 70 Kg person.

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

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Eboka Talk / Re: Ibogaine Conference (Streaming Feb 13-14-?)
« on: February 15, 2010, 12:56:48 AM »
http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4725915 10:40 AM (Howard Lotsof tribute/speakers)

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4730969 2:53 PM  (This one has the extraction by Chris Jenks, with pictures and his description. He starts 1:00:00 in, but plenty of good info before hand.) (The extraction is about 1:30:00 in.)

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Yep, thanks Nobu!  I was just coming back to add, but you got it for me. :)

GD

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Introductions / Re: Saying hello!
« on: February 14, 2010, 01:51:10 AM »
Welcome to Eboka Forums!  Can't wait to hear anything you can share! :)

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Eboka Cultivation / Re: Hydroponics?
« on: February 14, 2010, 12:50:07 AM »
Deep Water Culture.  It basically consists of a bucket/lid with a hole made for a basket filled with hydroton or lava rock.  An air stone is placed in the bottom with a pump running outside.  The bucket is slightly modified to make things work easy, but a quick search on google could find you some ideas.  The bucket is filled with nutrient solution and the air pump bubbles oxygen through the air stone into the solution.  The plant sits in the basket and the roots grow into the hydroton and then further into the bucket as it grows.  The highly aerated water allows maximum oxygen to the roots, while sitting in the pure water/nutrient mix.  It is checked for pH, ppm's, EC, and kept topped off with plain pH adjusted water or nutrients as needed.  The reservoir can be cleaned out and new nutrients added about every two weeks.  Some do it less, and some more often.  But that is the basic idea.

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Eboka Talk / Ibogaine Conference (Streaming Feb 13-14-?)
« on: February 14, 2010, 12:18:02 AM »
Live streaming video going on starting at 10am at http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ibogaineconference

What was recorded from yesterday:

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4702787

and

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/4708360  

This one contains the rest of Dr. Kamlet's detailed medical experiences with administering iboga, that was started at the end of the first one.  It has detailed information on what happens during iboga administrations, to the heart, and other strange things that can happen with other supplements or drugs.  Lot's of detailed medical and scientific info.  Very, very good information about how he would safely prepare some poly drug addicted patients for ibogaine HCl administration for addiction therapy, and more.


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The pKa of ibogaine is 8.1.  This would mean that a pH of 2 points above or below would cause 99% of the ibogaine to be in either it's acidic salt form or it's freebase form, which is apparently an unstable oil.  So a water acidified with a pH of 6.1 should ionize 99% of the ibogaine to form ibogaine HCl.  Now when pulling the alkaloids from a bark, however, a lower acidity will pull more impurities, but may also do so faster, and I am not sure of the pKa's of the other alkaloids.  Also, in Chris Jenks' article, I believe he talks about ibogaine's instability in solvents, of which I believe water was the most stable.  It begins to break down in acetone very fast, and I forget what comes in between.

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Eboka Cultivation / Re: Hydroponics?
« on: January 24, 2010, 12:06:19 PM »
I am thinking some deep DWC buckets with airs tones and organic nutes for the plant.  Gimme the details of what the ideal conditions are, and maybe I'll construct a DWC bucket and give her a shot under an extra light in my veg room.  I need humidity levels, light cycles, and all that jazz, temps, etc.  

Maybe I'll start a side project for iboga in the next few months.  If anyone has extra seeds, I may be interested but let me get things built and running first.  Worst comes to worse, I could always start it out in DWC and then switch to a nice huge bucket of organic soil, with a huge root mass, and let them go crazy.  It has me thinking, anyways!

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Eboka Talk / Re: Dosing Protocols
« on: January 24, 2010, 11:53:25 AM »
My understanding is that punjike cells were damaged in rats in high doses, not even sure if they did those tests on primates, and the study hasn't been duplicated, so that study may be inaccurate.  Never-the-less, no reason to push your luck or try and be the guinea pig up for testing, lol!

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Eboka Journals / Re: HOLY FIRE 2
« on: January 24, 2010, 11:46:34 AM »
BTW, just a couple numbers to throw out.  Doing the simple freebase extraction in the first part of my tek, from 68g of rootbark of good quality.  With the same bark used by Calaquendi and several others, I yielded 5.8 g freebase.  So each gram of extract is about 11.7 g of bark.  

In each gram, if figuring only 50% purity, that would be .5 grams of total alkaloids, of which 50-70% is actual ibogaine.  These are all rough estimates and my extract could be much more pure, however taking the lower end estimates, this would mean that per gram of extract, it would contain .25 g+ of pure ibogaine.  That would mean for a dose of 1 gram of pure ibogaine it would take 4g of extract, however, the other 30-50% of the alkaloids in the extract also act in a synergistic manner with the ibogaine, so taking a full 20 mg/kg dose of pure ibogaine, might not be the best idea with a total alkaloid extract.  

My guess would be somewhere around 2-3 grams of the freebase extract would give around 1/2 to 3/4 gram+ of ibogaine, and another 1/2 to 3/4 grams of other iboga alkaloids, which may be a perfect extract dose for a 60-70kg person.


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Eboka Talk / Re: i am going to treat a friend who suffers from addiction
« on: January 24, 2010, 11:27:55 AM »
Would switching to heroin, hydrocodone, or oxycodone from morphine sulfate for a few days before iboga be even more beneficial, or is morphine sulfate short acting enough to work fine?

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Introductions / Re: hello all....
« on: January 24, 2010, 11:24:58 AM »
Welcome Achtwan, nice to see you here, too!  IBOGANAUTS UNITE!  Or are we Ibogajedinauts??  LOL

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