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Sounds to me like you really nailed it ET, insofar as this subject can be put "in a nutshell" - there's little to add.

Emphasis on experienced sitters is, quite obviously, preferable - and experience with iboga/ibogaine specifically. Certainly not everyone who wants to do this will have that 'luxury' but it's best to make darned sure a sitter has at least some idea of what eboka is and how to administer. Need for a sitter is never as important as it is with this stuff I think...

Personal experience notwithstanding, focus on the immediate safety and comfort of the participant is pretty much the basic job for any sitter. As you mentioned, knowledge of basic first aid/ pre-hospital emergency care (CPR) is desirable, and knowing when (and when not) to call 911.

If we're talking here about someone doing this on their own (so to speak) - then it's unlikely that someone doing the job of sitting will be in a position to act as a 'guide'. I would actually caution against this particular temptation, it may do more harm than good. Since iboga is such a personal endeavor, and even though the guys I had sitting for me are super experienced in plant medicine with additional personal iboga experience, I was left alone in the dark to do my work...this may sound strange, but I firmly believe this to be the most appropriate way of going about it. When I say alone, I mean that every 90 minutes or so I was quietly checked on and all my needs were met according to pre made instructions and agreements, but the vast majority of the time I spent in dark silence. We modeled this after what my brother and friend experienced in the early days of iboga clinics...this was their protocol - to have someone constantly there but only looking in on the 'patient' at intervals- the person left otherwise alone.

This is a very important topic, great job ET...

Greetings to you Harvey plex! Great to see you made it over!!

Here is a great place to find answers to all the questions you pose - some real knowledgeable folks here, but know please that no one here claims to be an authority on this medicine - we're all here for each other though!

You can safely substitute valium for xanax and vise-versa. I think most if not all of the benzodiazepines are safe. As for dramamine, I really don't think it would harm but neither do I think you'll need it. Not everyone gets sick from eboka, but the ones who do - getting sick is a kind of purging of negative energies and such and no matter what, you shouldn't experience nausea the entire duration.

You and me have a great deal in common my friend, reading your intro post gave me goosebumps!!

If I remember correctly - you said on another forum that the bark you have is 5%? I think it may be the same as what I worked with...if this is the case, the 30g you procured should be enough for you to do what you wish to do with it. I'm working on an extraction soon myself, and I'll be using the same TA I always have (the vinegar tek) but this time I'll try basifying the resultant extract like Tia said...will let you all know how this goes!

Very good to have you here man...if I may counsel patience (that's a laugh!) you are on the last lap Harvey - so make sure all your questions are answered to your satisfaction, etc...

I'm out for now but will keep up with your progress!! Blessings Cal

Thank you Eon...really nice breakdown, it spoke to me. Especially right now- in my life, I find I am having a real hard time praying or keeping up with almost any spiritual communication...never mind discipline...and for reasons (mostly) that you highlighted above. I have a lot of confusion(s) when it comes to prayer...something that keeps me from ever trying to pray at all- which doesn't feel right to me.

I don't know man, but I got much out of that post...thanks

Hey McKnight -

I like your style...but if I am reading you correctly, this sounds like an 'ad hoc'  version of pharmahuasca, yes? You know I'm all about DMT my friend, I think the stuff is magic and there's nothing like it in the whole wide world. But I am not familiar with the MAOI you've chosen. Chrysin - from a glancing review- it seems to look like a good and safe anxiolytic but from my limited reading there seems a bit of inconsistency regarding the published documentation. For instance some sources say there are no in vivo data to show/prove some of the qualities suggested BUT the in vitro studies are however very promising...? We need a lab rat.

Usually, I volunteer for this assignment, but alas, I am on a personal hiatus from psychedelics, probably not a very long one, yet I must go through these little slices of sanity at times.

What about taking the 2g chrysin with a staggered dose of THH - this will surely provide the requisite MAOI for the extract to be effective? How potent of an MAOI is chrysin, how long will it inhibit?  THH will certainly do the trick, but I hear you looking in to this other stuff - frankly I think it's pretty damned smart, especially if it acts as a partial agonist on those receptors - this may be something? You might be on to something my good Mad scientist. The down side, so far as my limited understanding will allow is that since chrysin purportedly acts as a partial agonist in this way, maybe it somehow 'messes' with GABA and that whole system. I know that benzos work (in part) this way. So there have been times where I have smoked DMT while on xanax, or valium and the results were less than spectacular. This topic came up on another forum - people wondering if there was any way to mitigate the 'pre-jitters' many folks experience before they smoke the spice (kinda like staring down the barrel of a howitzer) and it was suggested to try small amounts of a benzo. Reports came back that were uniformly lackluster, and it was suggested this was due to the benzos acting on this GABA 'system' in a way similar to alcohol. I know I can't 'get off' if I have been drinking...I don't know brother, I love the way your brain works though. You remind me of..well, ME.

Forgive my uneducated hypotheses I don't have the time to dig further right now, but you've brought up some real interesting  things here, and I'm anxious to see how it turns out. Also noteworthy is that chrysin comes from a passionflower extract and doesn't this family contain some iboga-like alkaloids as well?? (passiflora)? I could be wrong...if I. am, write it on your calendar please - who knows when this phenomenon will recur? HAHA

Good luck young Skywalker, may the Force be with you...

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That's great news my man!!! Thank you for sharing - would love to hear how things line up for you guys and look forward to seeing you around. Best of luck and many blessings...

Post in this thread about any entheogenic experiences, ideas etc...soon enough this forum will expand a bit to accommodate the growth we're undergoing...I like diversification!

Of particular interest are healing plants, fungi, and cacti - ayahuasca brews, kambo...any and all plant healing ideas, stories and comments. Love to hear some!

BTW - this needn't be limited to entheogens per se, things like sweat lodges and retreats would fit in nicely!