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Eboka Cultivation / Re: Hydroponics?
« on: October 19, 2009, 05:20:33 PM »
As far as Iboga rootlets being tasty, GAH! Bitter, bitter, BIG bitter taste. We're not talking salad green bitter, but mega mouth takeover bitter. Ain't no Roquefort gonna disguise that! I'll take mine neat, thanks, and enjoy knowing the tatse fades, lol.

...Noooo doubt!

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General Discussion / Re: Eboka Loca -- Humor in a Jugular Vein
« on: October 16, 2009, 05:37:38 PM »
Classic!

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Eboka Talk / Re: User-friendly
« on: October 16, 2009, 05:19:36 PM »
Indeed a forum topic such as 'confessions' would be valuable...we can just start a thread in Eboka Talk or General Discussions for now if you'd like. The site admin. is a good friend of mine but has been real busy with personal matters of late and I have no true geek skills to create new sub-forums...I'll probably endeavor to learn these simple maneuvers soon and then this site can expand some to accommodate new ideas. For now though, there are really no 'rules' here - do what thou wilt - post what you like, where you like. We're all grownups (ostensibly) Hell, I bet even Eon is a grownup :P 

Glad you guys are here!!

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Eboka Talk / Re: User-friendly
« on: October 15, 2009, 07:46:04 PM »
Hey McKnight (just sounds cooler than saying "hey Eon")-

Thank you for such an honest post. I've read and re-read it again, looking for the best ways to reply, but I decided to just wing it. This being my preferred style, and I just roll better 'on the fly'...

Man, I thought everybody was a quarter Jewish??  I guess not...

I had an abusive dad. He's a Vietnam vet, marines. A fucked up guy I'm afraid - I can't talk to him at all. He was pretty brutal and I never knew 'who' he was going to be from one minute to the next, all kinds of mixed messages...


I don't know how to relate with being adopted, man - and the circumstances that surrounded you finding out the way you did, etc. That would be very hard indeed...

I will try to answer some of your questions the best I can. I have personally experienced iboga four times, two of which were flood doses and I've seen remarkable things happen with others who have done it. I'm glad to see areas other than addiction interruption being discussed. Although iboga/ibogaine is totally miraculous in this regard, I think it's myopic and exclusive to focus solely on that virtue. I think that its general psycho-therapeutic capacities are just now getting realized by Westerners and this, just by way of 'clearing you out' makes the spirit healthy. My first experience was the 'big' one: I needed to take a big dose to spit out the opiate hook. In over ten years I could not put together more than three days in a row, until iboga. All I wanted was to get rid of opiates, to be helped through the acute phase of w/d. I remember seeing my brother's expectations taint his initial exposure to this material and knew not to let this color my situation. I was absolutely astonished at the results, I expect there was a desperate part of me that held out in believing I could ever get away from that shit, but it worked. I was scared to do it. I knew the risks but I was not living at all, I am just now putting the pieces together that were strewn out over the last decade and more. I have only been 'free' of that for months as of this writing and sometimes I forget that it still takes time to integrate what I've learned. I'm hard on myself.

Brother, I do believe from what I have heard, that this medicine would help you. I'm experienced with many entheogens and nothing, but nothing comes anywhere near to the abilities iboga possesses. At least, until I did iboga, I could not hope to gain the rich insights and ability to assimilate all the value that say, cactus, can impart - I had to break my head open first.

Psycho-spiritual healing with iboga is an absolutely real and noble endeavor. And I honestly think if the willingness is there that anyone can benefit. I did not expect, or receive, an epiphany or colossal spiritual awakening. For me it was slower...I had visions, and hallucinations but the real value I experienced initially was not that apparent until the days and weeks following my first flood.

This is not to say that an epiphany isn't possible - it certainly is. I firmly believe that if done appropriately, a person will get exactly what they need from it. You've got a good head on your shoulders man, regardless of your emotions you seem to be thinking this through and that's to the good. Impulsiveness is probably the single most defeating element we can introduce to a healing like this.

As for communicating with ancestors, I can't from experience speak to this, but it seems to happen for sure. Another similar element is 'autobiographical recall' which is just what it says: experiencing your past with amazing lucidity and seeing, perhaps, things about one's self that would make us recoil under other circumstances, it really is a perspective of grace...

I didn't experience any significant recall that was immediately discernible and obvious, with the exception of viewing some prejudices I grew up with in their true light..I was able to see with honesty the fears and preconceived notions that foment perspectives of prejudice in my life. it was powerful.

Bwiti say that Eboka is the "essence of love" and I've found this to be ultimately true - I have had such difficulty loving myself, knowing that I was a worthwhile person and forgiving myself, until this I had not experienced any such grace in my entire adult life.

If nothing else, if iboga can make sense of this to a person as screwed up and brilliant as me, it's completely miraculous. I'm sure I've missed a few points and after I post this I'll probably have to edit, but I wanted to respond quickly.  Such honesty and guts as you've shown should be regarded with respect. Thanks for being here man...

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Eboka Talk / Re: Ibo in Mexico
« on: October 15, 2009, 05:18:47 PM »
You're all good McKnight, once again I find myself agreeing wholeheartedly with Tia...I don't even have to post, just point to her stuff!  ;D

Your sense of humor resonates with me - I think we're all more alike than not...

Peas.

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Introductions / DISCLAIMER - PLEASE READ!
« on: October 14, 2009, 12:04:06 AM »
Thank you for being here and welcome to each of you. Being used to other formats and relatively new to site moderation, I have seemingly overlooked an important aspect of our communications and would like to touch on a few points...

We do not want to alienate anyone - or censor anyone's thoughts/opinions; but we REALLY don't want any misconceptions about the design of this forum being for information and research purposes ONLY and NOT a solicitation, or a "hook up" source for any products or treatment. Sharing information and ideas is excellent, and this, like many entheogen sites, is a tight knit community where hopefully everyone will feel comfortable and safe. In order to ensure this, it is necessary to state here in plain and harsh sounding English that this forum is not, will not, cannot ever be considered as a source for medical treatment or illegal products of any kind. We encourage a free and open dialogue and want everyone to participate as fully as they care to - assuming their own responsibility for any posts made or read. That said, please read  the following rehashed disclaimer :

This forum provides information for general discussion and research only. This forum is not intended for use as a substitute for medical advice, diagnosis or treatment of any health condition or problem. Users of this forum should not rely on information provided for their own health problems. Any questions regarding your own health should be addressed to your own physician or other healthcare provider. The claims here are not a substitute for medical advice. We do not assume any liability whatsoever for your use of this website or the information contained herein. Herbal / Health-related information is based on many sources and posts of others , this information changes frequently and therefore information contained on this Web site may be outdated, incomplete or incorrect.  Use of this Web site does not create an expressed or implied physician-patient relationship. You are hereby advised to consult with a physician or other professional health-care provider prior to making any decisions, or undertaking any actions or not undertaking any actions related to any health care problem or issue you might have at any time, now or in the future. In using this forum for research purposes, you agree that you are a responsible adult and use of any data is for informational purposes only and further agree to hold the board and any post claims harmless as we are not liable or otherwise responsible for any decision made or any action taken or not taken due to your use of any information presented on this forum.

Once again thank you for participating and welcome!  ;D

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Introductions / Re: official greeting
« on: October 13, 2009, 08:54:18 PM »
Very pleased you're here my friend!


"what if 6 was 9?"...damned good question...

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General Discussion / Re: Eboka Loca -- Humor in a Jugular Vein
« on: October 09, 2009, 01:50:30 PM »
HAAAA!! :D

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Eboka Talk / Re: Preporation for Iboga session
« on: October 08, 2009, 12:53:49 PM »
Dosing is a variable for different people.  Things like estrogen do seem to play a role in the potency of ibogaine.

That's an excellent point - this is a good thread. Tia is pretty right on with the protocol, most providers will do it this way (for opiate detox), but these are in professional settings with trained medical staff by and large. Dosing an epic flood on your own with no prior experience and uneducated sitters may spell disaster...take care!

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It takes experience to know the difference between ibo fatigue and withdrawal and what to do in a given case to get the person the correct help to get them through it. 

This cannot be understated. Indeed I hazard a guess that many of the deaths linked, unfortunately, to ibogaine come in large part because of this very syndrome: A long time user may have difficulties discerning the fatigue felt after a session from that of 'withdrawals', a great point man. I have seen this, I have gone through it. Being conscious of this prior to a session is important and will help understand what's happening afterward. Again, taking an opiate directly after care is DANGEROUS in the extreme. This is why the benzodiazepine family works so well, it will help smooth out any rough edges and calm the mind. Prudent to use only for short duration.

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Introductions / Re: Greetings!
« on: October 08, 2009, 12:28:42 PM »
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I'm glad you mentioned the problems w/ methadone and LAAM/ORLAAM, though it was not something I wanted to hear.  Are there MDs out there who would help prepare someone for Eboka treatment by weaning her/him off of methadone and prescribing short-acting opiates prior to treatment?  I doubt if her clinic would be able to do something like that.

Very good questions man. I know physicians in Europe will do this flat-out, and I imagine if someone is 'lucky' enough in the States to come across a doctor with ethics and an open ear, they may be treated fairly...never forget, your life and your health are YOUR decisions and if weening off methadone is essential to your needs, do so with whatever you have at your disposal - mind you, I'm not saying go shoot smack, this is within reason- and with the ultimate goal of sustaining freedom from drug dependence. Methadone by no means is impossible to treat thus, it just presents difficulties that need to be considered. Titrate the dose down as low as can be, most providers prefer the 30mg/day regimen as this is more readily workable than the larger dosing, another factor in methadone is the acute w/d phase lasts so much longer than say, vicodin or oxycontin. So sometimes a provider will up their protocol to accommodate these needs. Up from like 15 mg/kg to 20mg/kg, just for example...

Good points, and re-welcome to you good sir! I do like your style. My German sucks, but those are great links! Thank you, yes that is the book, I thought it'd been translated. ~C


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General Discussion / Re: Calea Zacatechichi(Dream Herb Experience)
« on: October 05, 2009, 07:35:17 PM »
I really can't say from experience as I have yet to try either Silene or Calea, and I'm far from an authority on iboga, though I've done it several times. Still, I think your insight is correct and these 'dream herbs' have more intrinsically in common with iboga than traditional psychedelics. One exception may be DMT, in that it seems to somehow correlate to REM sleep. In several smoked DMT sessions I have found my eyes rolling in their sockets involuntarily (nystigmus) and on more than one occasion I've felt the same 'frozen' but lucid perceptions that I've experienced during rare bouts of 'sleep paralysis'...

I think iboga and ibogaine could more appropriately be called 'oneirogenic' or dream creating than 'psychedelic'. Although visions and visuals are common they are not like the visuals produced by ayahuasca and/or mescaline containing cacti. If I were to compare iboga to either of these it more closely resembles ayahuasca but it's still a far cry from it qualitatively. It seems very dream like, I have not experienced anything from the plant kingdom quite like iboga. Using these herbs to help integrate vision/insights following a session may be useful.

However there seems to me an inherent danger in dream interpretation, because as you noted, dreams can be so bizarre and just flat out crazy. It may be hard to tell 'whats what' if you will, in the realm of nocturnal visions - this is where a shaman would come in handy!

Hopefully I'll have my hands on some of these herbs soon and begin my own adventures with them. Perhaps lucid dreaming is not as 'weird' as typical dreaming, in that you have an element of control over things...we'll see!  :o

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General Discussion / Re: Calea Zacatechichi(Dream Herb Experience)
« on: October 05, 2009, 05:53:52 PM »
Pretty interesting man. I have some Silene capensis (African dream root) on the way, we'll have to compare notes. I have yet to try Calea but probably will do so in the future. I'm interested in your hypothesis about how the herb may affect REM sleep, I've made a loose study of sleep and the differences in sleep - states, just an anecdotal glancing and curiosity. I will say here that in the days following my iboga session, I had many dreams which were closer to truly lucid than ever before. This is an interesting topic. So many cultures place importance on their dreams, and seek guidance therein. What must it be like to be able to lucid dream at will? That kind of 'control' is elusive to me as it is to many, but imagine where one could go with this skill! I think I would astral project to Amsterdam, but I'd be scared I would get too high to wake up... ???

Good thread, I think herbs like this just 'fit' well with a post iboga session. I'll be watching this! Thanks...

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Introductions / Re: Greetings!
« on: October 05, 2009, 05:17:32 PM »
Man, I like the new handle..it suits you!

What Tia said about 'choosing to leave' or not, is of huge consequence. I was speaking with a respected provider about this very subject and he was wondering how to 'deal' with it as well. Personally it did not come up for me, not during the flood anyway, but I am reminded of it's importance here. There is a book, I forget the author and am too lazy to google it, called "Death by Imagination" perhaps we should all scope this out?

You seem to have a working knowledge of plant medicine which is good - and to remark on your friend at the methadone clinic, I think it would be a great idea to have her present, she may learn something to her advantage. But so you know, in many experiences methadone is the most difficult opiate to treat with iboga, it's long half life is a dirty trick. Same goes for Suboxone, and I wouldn't even think about trying to use it for LAAM/ORLAAM patients, I would that they got on a shorter acting opiate for a week or two first.

Sorry to be short but battery life is crap on this laptop..thanks for sharing!

PS>> fuck it, take the RED pill... ;D

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Eboka Talk / Re: Preporation for Iboga session
« on: October 05, 2009, 04:53:04 PM »
Hey Mr.T!! Tia gives solid advice, covers pretty much all of the major bases. I have done iboga for opiate addiction and so have some experience here. I will caution you on one point: reading 'too many' reports can 'color' your expectations of the experience, and believe me this can be detrimental if you do not 'get' what you think you should from it. Some people have very little visuals, although personally it was otherwise, this is by no means an indication of 'if it worked' or not. Your prior experiences with psychedelics I think, will be of value here, in that you probably won't balk at any hallucinations that present. Sensitivity to light and especially sound can be expected as Tia said. I recommend total darkness for the deeper parts of the journey.Dark and silent...

Fasting the day of is often advised, but I think it prudent to have perhaps a light breakfast like yogurt, fruit etc. so you've some energy to expend. Stay hydrated. It's not a 'fun' ride by any means, but it is amazing material. Use your body as a guide to know how to dose. For example, you need to be in acute w/d to begin - depending on which opiate one is detoxing from, time required away from opiates varies, methadone being the nastiest and hardest to come off of, but by no means can it hang with the correct dosing of iboga. If you're on a long lasting opiod like methadone give it 24 hours before you dose iboga...again you know how shitty you feel at any given time, wait until you feel so shitty you can't stand it at all - then take a 'test dose'...perhaps a gram of TA or a few hundred mg of ibogaine. This will go to work immediately to attenuate w/d. You won't feel 'satisfied' as you would putting an opiate in you when the jones is bad,but the test dose will ameliorate symptoms. When you begin to feel uncomfortable again,ie> w/d returning or not getting enough 'relief' from the iboga taken, dose up gradually until you 'hit the mark'. This is typically a dose of 15 - 20 mg/kg of body weight.
This is the amount of alkaloids you want 'on board' enough to do the trick. The first thing I noticed, other than relief of w/d was a buzzing/whirring in the ears...I took this as my cue to lay down and let the sitters work. Every hour or hour and a half I was checked on and dosed until the stuff flooded me into trance...I did puke, but not for many hours, not everyone does but it is not at all uncommon.. I remember stretching and rolling about in the bed..not like 'kicking' though, somehow the intuition came to me that this was a part of 'how it works' and that by doing so I was allowing the medicine into the deepest parts of my tissues. I will not regale you with too many details so as not to color the experience when it happens for you, but know that it does work. Be sure of your sitter(s), that they know precisely what's going on and why, and be straight with them about what chemicals are in your body...it is prudent to use small amounts of xanax or valium for comfort during and immediately after the session. You can expect to be 'dizzy' for a bit even when many of the other fx wear off, and it is not uncommon to 'see shit' meaning tracer-like visuals for a few days after, depending in how hard you flood. Some people don't need to take the full 15mg/kg dose, but I recommend it, or get as close as you can. DO NOT for ANY reason use opiates during or immediately (at least a week) after iboga. This, in my opinion, is probably the most dangerous thing one can do and has attributed to some deaths. Iboga works in part, like naloxone, in that it will strip your opiate receptors, cleaning them of all the crap, and so an (opiate) overdose is a real threat following iboga treatment, use a light sedative like a benzodiazepine and/or a muscle relaxer like soma. Expect some insomnia after, this is almost universal, but a hot bath and soothing tunes, even aroma therapy (lavender) can ease this...God bless you dude, you're in my thoughts.

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Introductions / Re: Welcome
« on: October 05, 2009, 04:10:57 PM »
I like your style, Mr.Clean! That's a good one,  btw...

Glad you're here man, say on!!

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