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Eboka Talk / Re: Iboga for food addiction on the horizon?
« on: October 21, 2013, 11:40:29 AM »
Im just really fascinated at the intersection where these 2 addictions appear to merge.  I imagine a retreat where iboga and top knotch counseling plus sensory deprivation tanks, juice, yoga, tai chi, and colonics.. Whadya think?

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Eboka Talk / Iboga for food addiction on the horizon?
« on: October 18, 2013, 01:46:55 PM »
Is 'Food Addiction' Real?

Deborah Brauser
October 16, 2013


BARCELONA, Spain ? Binge eating disorder (BED) is part of the recently published fifth edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), marking its first appearance in any DSM. But what about binge eating obesity ? is it a type of food addiction? Should it be added to the next version of the DSM? Or is food addiction itself even a real disorder?

These are just some of the questions that were brought up during a presentation here at the 26th European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (ECNP) Congress.

Suzanne L. Dickson, PhD, told meeting attendees that because obesity has reached global epidemic proportions, there is an urgent need for understanding the mechanisms for uncontrolled food intake.

She noted that recent data have suggested that brain reward pathways that are involved in alcohol and drug addiction are also essential elements of the ghrelin responsive circuit. And ghrelin has been shown to both signal hunger and increase food intake.

"Based on these and other recent findings, could obesity be a food addiction? A subgroup of obese patients indeed show 'addictivelike' properties with regard to overeating…but this does not automatically mean they are addicted," said Dr. Dickson, who is a neuroscientist at the Sahlgrenska Academy at the University of Gothenburg, Sweden.

After the presentation, she told Medscape Medical News that more evidence is needed.

"Food consumption, unlike alcohol, cocaine, or gambling or Internet gaming behaviors, is necessary for survival. But we don't completely understand why certain vulnerable individuals become addicted, transferring something rewarding to becoming addicted to it. For drugs, it's much easier to separate what's going on," said Dr. Dickson.

"For now, we need to ask: in our modern environment where food is so plentiful, has food no longer become our friend when it is something we can become addicted to?"

More Research Needed

Dr. Dickson noted that past research has shown that 10% to 20% of obese individuals have BED, but the disorder also often occurs in people of normal weight.

The term "food addiction" was created by the media and some sufferers to better explain certain behaviors, and more research is needed to support adding the term as a formal diagnostic category, she added.
Dr. Suzanne Dickson

"The evidence itself is insufficient to support the idea that food addiction is a mental disorder. We do not have a clinical syndrome of food addiction so far, and it is very important to establish the validity of a condition before putting it forward for inclusion in the DSM."

Still, she pointed out that recognizing certain behaviors (such as gambling) as addiction is "a major step forward" and should help decrease stigma for these people.

Dr. Dickson is currently the coordinator for her university's integrated Neurobiology of Food Intake, Addiction, and Stress (NeuroFAST) project. One of the areas that NeuroFAST has looked into is the impact of palatable foods, such as chocolate, on brain centers involved in reward and addiction. They have compared overeating with drug addiction to try to answer whether obesity could result from a food addiction that resembles an addiction to drugs and/or alcohol.

"We had to ask if the evidence supports food addiction for more than a small proportion of the population," added Dr. Dickson.

"But I have to say that in man, there is no solid evidence that any food, ingredient, combination of ingredients, or additive (with the exception of caffeine) causes us to become addicted to it. That is different from drugs, which we know engage the brain and cause us to become addicted to them," she explained.

"Still, if we move away from food and concentrate on the individual, we can see that certain obese individuals express addictionlike behaviors."

Dr. Dickson went on to mention that a study published inthe Archives of General Psychiatry in 2011 discussed the Yale Food Addiction Scale, with validation from functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI).

"Looking at the brain response to anticipating or receiving a chocolate milk shake, they found some evidence that those patients who had a high food addiction scale rating had different responses to the drink than did those who had a low rating. But where are the cutoffs if we are going to use fMRI to help us?" she asked.

"I think increased research into BED and food addiction is needed, and it will facilitate new diagnosis and therapeutic advances for obesity prevention and treatment," she concluded.

"Stop Speculating and Overdiagnosing"

"I think from the perspective of DSM and diagnosis and classification, the main message for clinicians is to stop speculating and overdiagnosing things like food addiction or food disorders," session moderator Hans-Ulrich Wittchen, PhD, from the Institute of Clinical Psychology and Psychotherapy at the Technical University of Dresden, Germany, told Medscape Medical News.
Dr. Hans-Ulrich Wittchen

"It's too early. It's premature. It should be limited to what we know. And that is: binge eating is a stable behavior, and there should be intervention. Whether this is a behavioral eating disorder or part of a food addiction syndrome that we might diagnose in 10 to 15 years from now, we don't know," he added.

Dr. Wittchen, who was not involved with Dr. Dickson's presentation or research, was involved with the development of DSM-5.

"Eating disorders are considered more behavioral syndromes. The question is: does the fact that many of the eating disorders show many of the same compulsive and addictivelike behaviors justify putting them into the substance group in the manual?"

He noted that it is more important to find out what is going on with a particular patient instead of "getting caught up in semantics."

"It's difficult to say whether any of these food components have created some disturbance that would justify calling it addiction. Is this a brain disease by definition? I don't think so. That goes too far," he said.

"I think we should just understand what we can do to improve suffering in all of our patients."

In a press release, Hisham Ziauddeen, PhD, from the Wellcome Trust–Medical Research Council Institute of Metabolic Science at Addenbrooke's Hospital at the University of Cambridge in the United Kingdom, agreed with Dr. Wittchen overall. He noted that although the idea of food addiction is appealing, there is little evidence so far showing that it exists in humans.

"It is a very important idea to explore, but it is essential that we have sufficient research to conclusively support it before we hurry to recognize it as a genuine condition and start thinking of ways to tackle and treat it," he said.

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Still, Ashley Gearhardt, PhD, assistant professor of clinical psychology at the University of Michigan in Ann Arbor, noted in the same release that giving food addiction a formal diagnosis could someday lead to important implications for healthcare policy.

Dr. Gearhardit was lead author of the Yale Food Addiction Scale study mentioned earlier by Dr. Dickson and spoke at a later symposium at the conference about food addiction and BED.

"The idea that certain foods might be able to trigger an addictive process in vulnerable individuals is a hotly debated topic. If food addiction exists, it may alter the way we think about the role of the brain in obesity, which might open up development of novel pharmaceutical treatments," she said.

"Policy successes and failures from the addiction field might also guide approaches to this worldwide public health crisis."

26th European College of Neuropsychopharmacology (ENCP) Congress. Press briefing given October 7, 2013.
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/812650?nlid=36144_681&src=wnl_edit_medn_imed&uac=197583EK&spon=18

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Eboka Talk / Re: isolation tank
« on: October 15, 2013, 02:45:49 PM »
I am an expert in floating..
well, at least I think I can consider myself a full fledged jedi master
sensory deprivation chamber isolation floatation tank regular customer
soooooooo, iboga will make you throw up in your soup, soooooo probably not a good idea.
Plus, throw in the very real possibility of explosive diarrhea just when you get nice and relaxed..
I think it'd be best enjoyed afterwards, after coming down from the flood and floating would be ideal, prior to
also might be great!  I find floating to be most helpful just prior to a big speech or project which requires a lot of me.
It makes me strong, powerful, and clear headed.  I sort out all my pending questions, find inner peace, and soar through the stars.
Theres something to be said about flying through space inside one's head weightless and free, the mind becomes all powerful for sure.
Mushrooms, I think would be my choice of psychedelic to adjoin the sensory deprivation floating experience, but I have yet to marry the 2 experiences.. I will though, if its the last damn thing I do.  They belong together, Im convinced.

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Eboka Talk / Re: Is Cannabis Contraindicated with Iboga in any way?
« on: October 09, 2013, 02:09:15 PM »
I feel like you are confusing your cells, especially the neurological system.  It wants to reset, but there will be interference.  Sounds like a recipe for a headache to me, but then again, maybe it will keep the nausea away and work synergystically.. that would be interesting.  Wish I could help, but all I can do is answer the question philosophically, which would lead me to asking you why?  Are you trying to rid yourself of a different addiction while maintaining another?  I can relate to that, but simultaneous use sounds a bit like deep confusion within, to me.  It could be though, that these medicinal spirits know each other already and work well together.  I guess I just cant say for sure, especially eating it, hmm.  I have smoked while under Iboga's spell, and it was helpful but microdosing gives me a headache, so I wouldnt even want to try that combo.  Maybe as the flood wears off.  Good question.

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Eboka Talk / Re: Anyone know anything about Costa Rica clinics?
« on: October 02, 2013, 11:33:09 AM »
I love it!  I have to admit though, Im leaning a bit more toward less crystal healing, less wavy hand therapy, but definitely lots of massage and hands- on healing from within, guided imagery for goal achievement; with credentialed therapists via skype to work through PTSD, anxiety, and addiction treatment including Iboga, MDMA, and psilicibin mushrooms coupled with bad ass therapy; a retreat.  Im sure there are already a group of these types of places in Costa Rica.  I hope to just join the one that fits me best, or create my own retreat one day.  I think these approaches are cutting edge and unavailable in the states, even though we have the most addiction and other issues.. we just dont deal with them. 

We are instead ushered into a small room with a drug pusher who keeps our candy rolling.  What if we could actually heal.. in a coupla weeks, and return home anew?  What if we could reconnect to the Earth and ourselves, get a second chance for real, and essentially grasp the fountain of youth (and disease prevention)?  It would be well worth a trip to Costa Rica for many folks.  In fact this a hot new industry called biomedical tourism thats, like you say, booming.  I think we could get there from here.  We already have what it takes.  We just cant see the forest for the trees.

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Eboka Talk / Re: Anyone know anything about Costa Rica clinics?
« on: September 30, 2013, 12:22:30 PM »
Skinny!  You've inspired me!  God I thank you from the bottom of my heart!  What a notion!  I think I feel a transformation smoldering deep inside me.  I think this is exactly what I needed to hear!  Thank you Skinny!  Thank you all so much!  Love and gratefulness my dear friends.  Grateful love.  Something Ive always been good at.. is throwing a party, bringing people together, unification.. Now to add the healing element...

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Eboka Talk / Re: Anyone know anything about Costa Rica clinics?
« on: September 28, 2013, 12:12:49 PM »
I know this is my destiny.  I plan to work on this on a serious level, for the rest of my life.  God knows Ive searched the world over and thought I found true love, Ive learned so much about myself and other special organic compounds, not unlike myself, how we intermingle with something like this bark and other entheogens is exactly magic, and nothing less.. or at least the closest thing to divine Ive achieved.. which has led me to now, when I know for a fact that in my short (in)significant existence, in my short little time I have to physically influence this world, this realm..

Iboga and psilicibin mushrooms hold great power for the expansion of consciousness, something Im sure most people reading this have been researching for years as well.. So I believe I have found my purpose in this life.  When I think of these things it just makes me shiver with excitement, as if God from church were real, or if Santa was real.. its the real magic that sparks myt childish curiosity, my inner child is spiraling and shaking with excitement at the thought of using these substances to help others who've never risen above the mundane thought processes of the general public that resist expansion and resist those who dont comply with their stagnation. 

I dont comply.  I never will.  I think; therefore I expand my consciousness.  These organic compounds could save the world and if I have anything to say about it, more people will be exposed to consciousness expansion, more folks can be free from the chains of tradition, from addiction and excess.  We will have our freedom!

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Eboka Talk / Re: Anyone know anything about Costa Rica clinics?
« on: September 25, 2013, 12:22:19 PM »
Yeah, from what I can find out, Eric Taub seems to be the man to seek out, but like was said above, Im not a 'call -you up on the phone type o' guy'.. More of a email / forum kind o' cat...which is a strange barrier to communication to have these days.. but whatever.  It shouldnt stop me.  Interesting though, that he isnt paying attention to this kind of action, when he did so much to help create the unstoppable inertia we now enjoy.  I'd like to go see whats on his mind now and looking forward on onward.  Thank you so much everyone!  =) 

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Eboka Talk / Re: Anyone know anything about Costa Rica clinics?
« on: September 24, 2013, 12:54:53 PM »
Thank you!  I love this place!  My cup overfloweth..  This site is something really special.  Love, love, love..

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Eboka Talk / Anyone know anything about Costa Rica clinics?
« on: September 23, 2013, 11:58:23 AM »
I know Costa Rica is the place I need to go visit, and I hope that when I go, I can hook up with a kick ass clinic/ retreat where  I wonder where that conversation might go, but I wish I could get it started in the best direction.  I just want to get deeper into this thing because I understand its potential and even have a little know -how.  I think maybe I can help this movement push forward and my first instinct is to go there, so as not to reinvent the wheel, you know?  I wish I could hook up with someone down there, even just start a conversation about whats possible.  Just asking.  Thanks!   

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Well, people have died, so I'd say that would be one worry that could arise when taken too frequently.  Due to all the pain and suffering involved, it usually isnt addictive however, like 'medicine' is, given to us by our friendly neighborhood Dr, who only wants the best for all his strung out patients whose pain never goes away.  Those who have it most available to them, still seem to top out after a handful of times, cracking ones head open.. so I would say the worry is just death, which is why its not taken lightly in any sense by anyone serious, it isnt a recreational drug by any stretch of the definition, and microdosing in my case at least, produced headaches which will stop you from continuing.  The body will even regurgitate it if you take too much, usually.  Oh yeah, another problem that could arise is going to the hospital and getting in trouble.  That might be the most likely problem, if a problem arises at all, which is why set and setting are so well thought out ahead of time and precautions like a competent sitter are critical components for safety.

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Eboka Talk / Re: I want to take ibogaine every week
« on: September 09, 2013, 11:57:43 AM »
I felt like that at first too.  It seemed like something my body wanted more of; thats all I knew.  I started out eating bark straight in handful after handful.  It began to give me headaches before there was ever any discomfort.  It seemed to remind me of that scene when Joe Pesci was being beated to death with a baseball bat and buried alive and they shoveled some dirt on his mouth and he breathed in the dirt and dust effectively choking him..  I think it was choking off the void that was left from my addiction.  Addiction for me, was a vacuum or a hole which devoured my energy regularly for so long, it wanted to hold onto its expected lion's share of my energy, so I had to choke it off; kill it... sorta.  At least that was the image in my mind as I fought it back, and time away from it gave me more strength and more conviction over my choices, especially about what goes in my body.  It was invigorating!  But the headaches told me to back off the bark and when another wave of addiction rolled over me, I knew I had to explore the extract's effects, and while somewhat vaguely familiar, flooding my ass off taught me immediate RESPECT. 

I once had a keg fridge too, which taught me to respect it or be damned.  Respect for this plant is first and foremost, because it can kill you... or it can fix your tendency to addiction, at least temporarily, which is a G'd damn miracle. 

It lasted 8 months and my will broke down or whatever.. I entered the dark cavern of addiction again, but with new knowledge in the back of my 8 months clean mind, went off track 4 months before flooding my ass off again, 2nd time stuck. 

It made me realize it was my choice all along, after all, and others have just made the choice and made it stick, why couldnt I do it like that?  And avoid all this hell??  I begged God for mercy as I heaved my guts out wanting to die and couldnt move my legs, head spinning but clarity crept in.  I never turned back since.  I am stronger in the knowledge that she is there for me if I ever need her again, but I am also comforted in the hope that I will never need her help again. 

I was left so grateful it was over, I dont want to go there ever again.  So, it worked.  So far, that is.  Life is dynamic though, just like my process I went through for this journey and in the end all I can say in response to your gesture for weekly floods, is be careful what you wish for.  She can end you or she is a Godsend... Depends on your level of respect for her. 

Then again, Im not a weekly skydiver type either.  Once or twice is enough for me.  Im more into trying new things.  Being around to try more new things sounds nice.  Being stuck in habits for the habit's sake sounds like a cage.  Fuck that! 

The opposite of routines and habits.. is new exciting life experiences!  Who doesnt love that??  New exciting life -experiences drive neuroplasticity; its how we learn.  Habits just wear us down into cogs in a wheel, turning our lives over to them.  Fuck that!  'Everybody dies.. Not everybody truly lives'  - Braveheart

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General Discussion / Re: 1 gram HCL enough for opiate withdrawl
« on: September 04, 2013, 12:14:37 PM »
I only had one gram HCL my first flood and since I did a colonic and fast 3 days prior, I believe it lowered my threshold by some significant degree.  I know it sounds gross, but it cleans your house and in my opinion, much like Ibo, its only something that one might do once or twice in the middle of their lives just makes sense once I accepted the possibility.. so even after 3 days, the HCL was rapidly and potently absorbed while the dose was low, which would make it safer and lower risks involved with treatment.  This should not be confused in any way with anal ingestion which just sounds weird and unnecessary, IMHO.  Just FYI. 

BTW, I repeated the experience and confirmed that I couldnt even finish the whole gram of HCL, because of my ataxia and flooding my ass off so hard, praying to God that I would do better I swear!!!  So, just thought you should know it worked well giving me the interruption I needed to eliminate my addiction... successfully... so far... And the thought of going through that hell again...prevents my usual mistep back down into that whirlpool of oblivion that sucked me in so many times before...

Habits, of any kind, it is said does the reverse of neuroplasticity, which is how we learn... sooooo, it would make sense that avoiding all habits like the plague (by not doing anything the same daily) and relish in new exciting experiences with crisp awareness instead.. & we might have something!   

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As long as you stay attached to your depersonalization condition, you cannot be free.  If you want to puke your brains out and suffer like hell worse than you've ever known, you should try some Iboga.  Detach first from any preconceived notions, detach first from whatever you already think is wrong with you.  Detachment should be your goal if you are to open up appropriately so that she can do her good work most effectively.  Do the prep work and you might see things straighten out.  GL.

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