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Re: Drama and Forum Feuds
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2013, 08:42:26 PM »
Dude K, Kampun or whatever name you call yourself nowadays.  Most of the people who have been on this board long enough know your history and appreciate your past efforts.  I do as well and credit you to helping me understand many things.  I don't care if JackTripper's been here for a few months, he's saying something that is worthy of criticism.  I had to have my say because he is a relative newbie by his forum date of registering, so I can't tell who the 'guy' is by his internet handle.

"Last time you heard", well the forum search is available to you just as it is for me.  So I'm not going to do the work for you.  You are a mod here so I believe you are competent enough to do this yourself.  With your self-righteous attitude well JackTripper already said that...

As for myself I can say that I've had an obnoxious attitude here on the forums and even got Cal and pkeffect to look into some discipline, but that happened about a year or so ago...drama is the stuff of life, I've asked for forgiveness to various people and am in the process of living a happier life.  Before I isolated myself much like a 'shaman out in a hut' does in the wild and that's when trouble can brew, paranoid thoughts of 'hexing' and 'protecting'.  I believe Steve Beyer when he says shamanism is a dangerous business, and that's why I've distanced myself from these kinds of mind altering medicines.  A Persecution Complex can easily develop from taking too much, and as for you....beats me...

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Re: Drama and Forum Feuds
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2013, 08:44:11 PM »
if you talk now AS & FOR Kambo, son
you're voice on this thread has turned me off
& many others i would bet to considering Kambo
Luckily I know better in regards to the befits of the medicine you have chosen to identify yourself with.
If used with respect.
 

 You should speak for yourself , maybe find some humility,maybe some compassion for others.....
Its clearly time to wake up & check that EGO behind the keyboard friend & fellow traveler.




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« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2013, 09:19:01 PM »
Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately), my Iboga use has killed my appetite for wine otherwise I'd be a good halfway through a second bottle by now and would probably have written something to get myself banned.

It's been decades since I opened a bible but this is probably accurate enough

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

Try and see the big picture folks - life's too short.

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« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2013, 11:17:18 PM »
Mods always let the power get to their head  :o

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« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2013, 11:26:10 PM »
Mods always let the power get to their head  :o

oh give me a break... blanket statements like this aren't helpful. So now you're saying all the mods on this forum (or maybe all forums) are corrupted by power?

Seems to me like the mods are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't intervene, then all hell can break loose, if they do, then whoever doesn't like what they do or say can throw a hissy fit.

The mods on this forum put a lot of time and effort into maintaining the integrity of the information shared on here and get precious little credit for doing so. I'm not a mod so I can say that.

Shame on you axl

If people approached this forum with integrity and respect (I guess maturity is asking too much...) then the mods wouldn't have to get heavy handed at times. Instead you prefer to bicker like little children with your petty internet personas and then pout when you get called out on it.

And you thought Kampum has the sharp tongue.....!
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« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2013, 09:38:10 AM »
The call of the medicines is nothing to encourage or deny.  So your claims of me discouraging people entirely misses the point of how these miracles work and how it is innately written in the individual soul to partake in a sacrament.  I can say nothing to encourage or deny, which is why they are so magical.  I am fighting a battle here for my reputation and as well the integrity I hold myself to, if it is perceived otherwise than that is not my intention.  I role/roll with Kambo and to me Kambo is a warrior medicine.  That being said JackTripper you have made a lot of claims about me and provided no quotes in context to back it up.  You have said or led others to believe that I claim to be some sort of authority on Iboga...provide proof please.  More times than not over the past year I have discouraged people that I view as not completely capable of taking Iboga to not take it for safety reasons.  I have discouraged us as a forum to providing exact dosages in order to be safe here (dosages vary so largely depending on quality of medicine that many pertinant details are needed in order to have any idea).  So what is it exactly that you are referring to?  Would you be happier if I were a non mod and still shredding people that I view as irresponsible?  Because yes for the safety of Iboga I will do that time and time again, every time someone comes on here and says they want to flood without a sitter (happens periodically) or they have a mental condition, I will firmly reccommend they either/and excercise caution or not take Iboga.  You all use MissJess as an example of my authoritarian tirades without noting that I told her NOT to take Iboga.  And then what happened she said she almost died.  But I'm the bad guy still for that one I see. 

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if you talk now AS & FOR Kambo, son
you're voice on this thread has turned me off
& many others i would bet to considering Kambo
Luckily I know better in regards to the befits of the medicine you have chosen to identify yourself with.
If used with respect.

If people are turned off or on by what I said I would say it was never written in their heart to partake in this sacrament.  If anything what I do when I treat people with these medicines is to talk them out of it to make sure it is something they are truly called to take.  If it is just a desire than it is not important, it should be a deep and sincere unbreakable call. 

Calling me son is really degrading.  I don't view you in that light, in fact to me your need to belittle me and criticize me is likely representative of your personal darkness.  Like I said I can keep trying to get you to dislodge this shadow creature that you are blind to or you can just come out clean on your own and admit you've made a lot of assumptions about who I am and how I live my everyday hard working family life. 

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« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2013, 10:59:22 AM »
Wow.  Waking up today and seeing all these posts....I get it, we all have egos, agendas, flaws, strengths and so on.  It's a beautiful storm.  So get it all out of your system so WE can move on.   

I agreed to moderate Eboka for many a reason.  Eboka paid it forward to me, and just maybe it was the missing ingredient to the recipe for rebirth.  Now I have much to learn, and so much to share.  The most powerful energy is gained when you have a good thing that you can share with someone else, so they may also have this good thing. 

I believe that if kept up with the right tender loving care and attention that it needs, Eboka will continue to evolve into something even more powerful than we can imagine. The amount of lives that can be touched....it is amazing. 

Kampum:  You are no better than those who have NOT done Kambo 100+ times or whatever.  I do have respect for you, so know that.  I also see your ego blow up, which is weird.  Why not diffuse the situation with your wisdom.  Arrogance and healing don't mix well. 

So, I will continue to contribute to Eboka as much as possible.  If this kind of stuff continues between mods at length, and is taking away from the forum's true capabilities, then I suggest "taking this shit outside."  Maybe have a separate 'mod section only' where you guys can hash it out.  I guess I am halfway serious and halfway kidding.  That's probably because when I read through this thread, I am laughing at times, and it also makes me sad  :o  because there only so many hours in the day, and many people who need help, support, guidance, seek truth, expanding consciousness, etc.  Let's get back to the good stuff, eh?

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Re: Drama and Forum Feuds
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2013, 11:30:08 AM »
Mods always let the power get to their head  :o

oh give me a break... blanket statements like this aren't helpful. So now you're saying all the mods on this forum (or maybe all forums) are corrupted by power?

Seems to me like the mods are damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't intervene, then all hell can break loose, if they do, then whoever doesn't like what they do or say can throw a hissy fit.

The mods on this forum put a lot of time and effort into maintaining the integrity of the information shared on here and get precious little credit for doing so. I'm not a mod so I can say that.

Shame on you axl

If people approached this forum with integrity and respect (I guess maturity is asking too much...) then the mods wouldn't have to get heavy handed at times. Instead you prefer to bicker like little children with your petty internet personas and then pout when you get called out on it.

And you thought Kampum has the sharp tongue.....!

You are right it was a blanket statement, and I wasn't saying anyone here has. It's just a generalization to think about.

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« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2013, 11:42:40 AM »
For those who are recently tuning in, I'll defer you all to what helped me in the past.

When you are using medicines on a regular basis, these are issues that can arise.  Steve Beyer writes from a perspective of experiencing different ayahuasceros deep in the Amazon.  You can spend several hours reading the treasure trove of information, but I'll post some important links.

http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/03/self-control/
http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2008/04/how-became-sorcerer/
http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2012/07/fourteen-dead-shamans/
http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2009/08/sex-and-violence-in-amazonia/
http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2012/10/you-cant-call-911-in-jungle/
http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2012/05/what-do-the-spirits-want-from-us/
http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2009/01/magic-stones/

One thing he tries to discuss in his blog and in interviews that are posted in Youtube, is that the difference between a shaman and a sorcerer not much of a difference.  Or John Lash who says the difference between a shaman and a sham is two letters.  Those who claim to use the medicines for 'healing' purposes are just using one side of the coin, the other side is 'hexing' or cursing or ultimately killing.  Some shamans will go around collecting 'magic darts' from other sorcerers in order to chupar (suck out) darts of the victims that they seek to heal.   Sounds as ludicrous as a Harry Potter movie, but this is the way of life down there!  Once you have gone into the realms of 'magical thinking' you are abandoning rationality.

I haven't seen anyone write as extensively about the Bwiti culture and iboga but I imagine the ngangas experience similar behaviors.

And Adam Elenbaas who I can relate to since we've had similar upbringings (Christian fundamentalism) leading to psychoactive adventures into Astrological explanations.

Three Signs that You Might Be Addicted to Altered States

1. If you are able to drink ayahausca or alter your state regularly and yet you persist in unhealthy patterns outside of the altered states you enjoy.
2. If you live in medicine or altered states communities or participate constantly, but you are not able to relate well outside of them.
3. If you come from a wounded past, you can't complete things, your visions often dematerialize, and you are struggling to survive doing something you love.

http://www.realitysandwich.com/ayahuasca_addiction_and_ego
http://www.realitysandwich.com/new_age_pentecost
http://www.realitysandwich.com/ayahuasca_versus_daime_medicine_yin_and_yang
http://www.realitysandwich.com/red_herring_of_astrology

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« Reply #24 on: September 14, 2013, 05:39:57 PM »
I have a problem with people being made mods so quickly.  Is Jack Tripper a moderator, I think I remember seeing that, no one told me must be a secret handshake thing admin.   

Overall my problems are the irregularities of the admin here and making 2 people mods so quickly doesn't help.  Also unsaid admin sending me a PM telling me about something in weird code than telling me he's gonna call me doesn't help, especially when he then fails to call.  He's done that before of saying he's gonna call me and then doesn't and that really irritates me when I feel people don't follow through on commitments.  The word loses value to me than and usually when that takes place I realize that connection was not something important.  I don't know what's going on but it's obviously not out in the open and therefore comes off to me as shady.  That kind of behavior I'm no fan of. 

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Kampum:  You are no better than those who have NOT done Kambo 100+ times or whatever.  I do have respect for you, so know that.  I also see your ego blow up, which is weird.  Why not diffuse the situation with your wisdom.  Arrogance and healing don't mix well. 

That's not the point that I was attempting to make, the point is they were accusing me of being some kind of wanna be cyber shaman and my point in saying how many times I have done Kambo was my attempt at proving how seriously I take these medicines.  You all putting ego into this is only an attempt to ridicule and therefore with one word you wish to plant me as counterfeit and what I say as lacking substance.  These are strong accusations and to make those accusations shows you have zilch for respect.  I'm not into diffusing the situation when someone attacks me as your buddy did here.  He obviously had it out for me and has failed to explain the specifics as to why.  I have nothing to hide so if he thinks he has something on me he'll come up empty handed.  When you use the word arrogance I suggest you back up that view with some evidence, otherwise I take it as an insult. 

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Let's get back to the good stuff, eh?

Start a thread then on whatever good stuff you see.  For me I don't see this as bad stuff, for me I saw it as a battle with myself through the vehicle of others accusations with me.  Through this it allows me to see myself in a different light and also helps me develop word sound and power.  I don't think it is bad for newcomers to witness someone that doesn't put up with being bullied, which is how I view Jack Tripper now.  He probably will continue to ridicule me and pick apart everything I say so I hope to address all that so he puts a stop to it. 

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« Reply #25 on: September 15, 2013, 04:30:45 AM »
Hi,
I don’t know exactly what to make of all this…whether it’s a good thing or not I have no idea. What I wanted to say is that, while skimming this forum every day, and also in reply to my few previous posts I have felt tremendous dedication, caring and knowledge from KP, for which I’m very grateful.

I’m not taking any sides here so please don’t take it that way. I think KP is well able to stand up for himself if that’s what he wants to do and I’m not casting aspersions on anyone else or their opinions…I don’t feel I understand the situation well enough to make further comments but just felt it important for me to make the above point.

So, I would like to say thank you to KP and ALL posters (even to David Gold and his spam I guess  ;), who kind of kicked this whole debate off if I remember correctly) for their contributions in the year or so I’ve been reading this site, which has been a great help to me on my personal journey and education. Your efforts aren’t wasted…on me, at least.

Also a particular thanks to Skinny for putting up those links. I just read one article and, as I’m looking to take part in my first Aya Ceremony in the not too distant future, the rest look very useful too.

I don’t feel that comfortable writing (I can talk the hind legs of a donkey though!) so I’ll leave it at that.

Thanks and be well all of you

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« Reply #26 on: September 15, 2013, 04:14:22 PM »
I have a problem with people being made mods so quickly.  Is Jack Tripper a moderator, I think I remember seeing that, no one told me must be a secret handshake thing admin.


 What does me moderating "The Muse" section of the forum have to do with anything?

& yes there must of been a secret handshake as well as NWO stamped gold bars passed for such a (in your eyes) powerful thing to go down without anyone asking or telling you about it first.
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« Reply #27 on: September 15, 2013, 08:28:11 PM »
Thanks for the support Lissos I'll have to look up the posts you wrote a while back because I realized in seeing your name that a while back you had written very interesting posts.  Good reminder for me to see your name, it's easy to forget the gems that have been left here and harder still to remember who left them. 

Jack Tripper,
Well I was half joking but also not.  I know it has nothing to do with NWO, I'm not a paranoid schizo but that was an interesting attempt for someone that says he knows a thing a two about your special airport underground city.  I think you probaby made forum friends and reached higher access quicker here and I know you are buds with admin via internet.  I'm not buds with people that I can't depend on to follow through, I have high standards for friends and expect they have the same for me to raise the bar again and again. 

Anyways you have apparently bowed out and admitted defeat because I must inform you or remind you this is a debate.  You put me under a microscope and wanted to out me is some way I am officially fighting back.  Do you get it, or are you now acting like you had nothing to do with addressing me full frontal and carte blanche challenging me to a dual?  Or you like to keep it sacrcastic and aggressive, yes I see your silly style and find it cowardly.   In other words I see you as a nad kicker here, or in this particular case of relating with me. 

I clearly asked you to make quotes in context for all that you find or some of what you find that I do hear that is so reprehensible to you.  Do you not care about that now, dealing in an honest and fair fight.  Because all I see from you is pussy footing around what I bring to your attention from my point of view.  You seem to want to fight in a dirty fashion and make short comments that a high IQ middle schooler would do.  Do you still wear diapers or are you gonna man up and address with precision exactly what your isssues are with me from the root to the branch. 

See you can't just attack some people and expect to get away with it without accepting your role in the issue and why it was brought up.  I can only assume from how Ayahuasca/Daime work that you would realize you made some errors in you mode of attack on me, but maybe you are not so fortunate to have these medicinal gifts on hand to show you things otherwise hidden.  The amount of paypack the mother delivers is rather severe, so just know that if and when I do wrong I pay up head on with the Divine Mother.  Dear Father Iboga makes us realize nth fold but the rarity of the full YemanJAH flood is a rare thing indeed that we can dive into because of the long recovery time. 

When I was new to this forum I had to realize these things from the Mother and forums to me relate in this way as well as every day natural life.  Where if and when you do wrong they make you fess up and admit your flaws to you yourself from how the other person felt (empathetic perspective more or less and NDE). 

These issues (of forums) take up space and the brain and are valuable teachings.  I still invite you to go fully into battle honestly and address the real deep issues you have with how I tend here.  Otherwise I would assume you have no wish for either one of us to grow and your way of conducting yourself is in fact unconscious maliciousness, or you are possessed by a destructive entity that you have yet to purge or thoroughly deal with (Oh I know your gonna have fun with that Vodun analogy that all of us intuitevely know in otherwords unintended mediumship with a suffering being, yes your sarcasm is gonna love that so is Blue Tiger who gets high on anti dogmatic dogma tenents). 


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« Reply #28 on: September 15, 2013, 09:20:36 PM »
Kampum where is the love? Every time I read your posts, all I feel is condescension. You're operating from an "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality; I see no attempts to connect, join, unite. Who cares if you're right? Stop arguing and start being nice. You're making me want to leave this forum.

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« Reply #29 on: September 15, 2013, 10:15:02 PM »
Kampum where is the love? Every time I read your posts, all I feel is condescension. You're operating from an "I'm right, you're wrong" mentality; I see no attempts to connect, join, unite. Who cares if you're right? Stop arguing and start being nice. You're making me want to leave this forum.

Funny how K brings up my past and what I do in private and tries to bring that up like skidmarks on a soiled underwear, but like I said before drama is the stuff of life and what you bring out to the public can be used against you. :)

I didn't like how he treated missjess, but hey we know a thing or two about impatience.  People like myself in the past were desperate for connections and access to medicine so of course people are willing to go through great lengths to do something that may lead to death.  As for Kambo, well doing 100+ treatments....your next sting could lead you to croaking like a frog.

Also all this talk about Divine Father/Mother blah blah and having a "hard working family life", I'll just spinoff a quote from Ram Dass:  If you think you are enlightened go spend a year with your biological parents (and let us come by for home visits to see how you are doing) :)

And I like to make another maxim:  Telling an angry shaman to calm down works as well as attempting to baptize a cat. :D

Remember there are people here doing things that are illegal (but debateably not immoral) so that's why we have to put on our "masks" and that brings out the Shadow as Carl Jung writes about.  Something I've been reading a little about, the things that we despise in others maybe a good percentage of the "darkness" that is inside of ourselves reflected in the other person.

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P.S. Regarding ayahuasca retreats, I've had a friend from my circle ended going to Temple of the Way of Light in Peru.  I haven't followed up on him since last year, but one reason he told me he was going because all the shamans were female.  Plus the information he send me to look at the dieta and amount of care you receive seemed very high quality.  You can see Youtube testimonials online.  I hear that there are a bunch of retreats opening up like this catering to 'gringos', it might be a good introduction to doing medicine work there.  Now with the popularity of aya tourism down there, the natives are finding a way to make money so its hard to tell the plastic shaman from the 'authentic' ones.

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Ayahuasca - My Heart of Darkness | London Real
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_UoPMxeup8I

Good interview of a guy with a Christian upbringing who gets interviewed on his experience with Aya/San Pedro.  It's about 2 hrs long and some notes are in the video description.

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