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Offline taragreen

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Good To Meet You
« on: January 18, 2013, 11:23:07 AM »
 Hi all. I'm Tara & am considering ibogaine for a 15 year opiate addiction. Wanna get off Suboxone maintenence. Tryed weaning down but found it impossible. Considering ibogaine compared to staying on subs, forever.  :) Hoping to hear about other peoples experiences with ibogaine for opiate withdrawl. I've read some conflicting stories. Some people are saying that it only stops the accute withdrawl for around 10-20 hours then they went thru the normal, god awful withdrawl process. Read other accounts of people never feeling sick again after 1 flood of ibo.  Good to meet you all!

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« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2013, 12:19:11 PM »
One of the more difficult cases to tackle.  Research with the search engine: Suboxone should get you on your path. 

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« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2013, 07:06:43 PM »
For suboxone, it's recommended you switch to a short acting opiate for a month or more to reduce the amount of post acute withdrawal syndrome/symptoms (PAWS) you'll experience.  Something like morphine, oxycodone, or poppy pods (mostly morphine and codeine) will help your body's endorphin system adjust to a shorter cycle, so that it's all out of your system before the iboga metabolites are..  This helps you experience fewer/lesser PAWS and helps you recover faster.  Lot's of good info on subs here, if you do a quick search, like KIAP suggested..  Welcome to Eboka! :)
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Re: Good To Meet You
« Reply #3 on: January 19, 2013, 01:09:27 AM »
Tara,

I did a flood about four years ago to get off Suboxone. The advice by Gratefuldad  is right on. You need to switch to a short acting opiate for at least 30 days. Some recommend two months as being better. The private provider I used recommended 30 days and that's what I did. I switched to Percocet for 30 days. I escaped any serious withdrawal symptoms. That doesn't mean that it's easy. Ibogaine is serious medicine and will knock you on your butt. You shouldn't plan on doing anything for a least one week afterwards that would take any significant concentration or energy. Don't drink alcohol afterwards. If you're taking any other types of drugs/medications you should post these to the forum to make sure there aren't any conflicts. For instance, Adderall and ibogaine do not mix well at all. I found this out the hard way.

For opiate addiction most recommend using pure HCl. A lot of people become nauseous and will vomit from taking ibogaine. There are precautions to help with this such as anti-nausea medications, ginger root tea, and/or Dramamine. Your nausea will be some less from pure HCl. Another biggie is to make sure you have a sitter.

I successfully quit opiates one time cold turkey(made it two years before relapse) before discovering ibogaine. Quitting with the help of ibogaine was a piece of cake comparatively. I expect you already well know what serious withdrawal feels like. A lot of people have described it as "hell on earth". When I did the cold turkey it was off of pain pills, not Suboxone. The withdrawal lasted 3 to 4 days. For Suboxone, some go through the same serious withdrawal symptoms for 30 days or more. There aren't many that have the fortitude to get through that. I tried and found out I didn't.

There are a lot of good sources of information on this forum and the people here are sincerely willing to help. Read up on the old posts here. There are a lot of different treatment providers out there. I don't know what your plan is for where you would do the flood. Be careful in that regard when making the selection. Good luck.

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« Reply #4 on: January 19, 2013, 02:42:19 AM »
Yes fritzerman, I was on methadone. and was fortunate to switch to an sao for a month before hand, I wish I had been able to a bit longer, I hear Suboxone is even worse, depending on how long you have been taking it.
taragreen, I would switch to a sao for as long as possible.   I only felt normal again when I started to work at my Very physical job,  exercise is key afterward and eating healthy... I am sure you will find this out and much more here.


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« Reply #5 on: January 19, 2013, 03:21:21 PM »
Thanks for the welcomes, advice and comments.  :) The people in my life don't understand why I want to try Ibogaine. Any of you, that KNOW the feeling after being on maintaining drugs  for years, know why. Finding a sitter & a (months supply) s.a.o. is something to work on. Tryed the papaver pods, kratom, passion flower...Just didn't help me. I remember  the Darvocet used to help, suprisingly. Took away a bit of the edge/ unbearable wds, anyway. Remember them? Can't get them anymore. I've looked thru the ibo centers sites. It must be amazing to go to a real clinic for  treatment. Trying to stay strong and keep moving forward. I look forward to reading and learning on here.

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« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2013, 11:17:31 AM »
Greetings and welcome tara! I hope you find our little oasis to your liking and I'm glad to have your light adding more brightness to the place  ;)

I think you will find that many folks here have been right where you are now -  it is always refreshing to be able make connections with people who have shared in these unique ways...I have always found it a confidence booster and spirit lifting feeling when I could 'click' with a person, or group that I felt really understood my problems.

Suboxone is the proverbial 'Asshole in sheep's clothing'...(or was it 'wolf'?) Anyways, IMO - as well as many others - it is no more than an over-prescribed cash crop and half the doctors I'd seen for it in my own experiences knew less about  the damned drug than I do. I quite sharply remember the elation when I first discovered it (I was at a methadone clinic at the time for going on six years and wanted out) and the doc , an ehem...'specialist'...told me without blinking that there was no WD from this new 'wonder drug'...skeptical though I was I was also desperate to get off that derned methadone and stop living as a slave to chemicals...imagine my utter surprise and unholy rage when I found out that indeed there WERE withdrawals associated with buprenorphine, and that if anything the motherblankers were actually as bad or WORSE than the 'done! Whooee....my inner arsonist nearly won out.

But I digress, I have a real soft spot for those of us who have been mislead, wantonly or not, by the healthcare industry all in the name of the Holy Dollar.

Well friend, you have found something very special here, in this medicine and the group of truly decent humans that make the forum what it is. I hope you stick around, learn as much as possible and perhaps this will be something that is right for you. Looking forward to having you on board. Blessings, Cal
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2013, 08:05:27 AM »
Thanks a million for the encouragement & kind words Cal. Just a few days ago, I entered a new Suboxone program. Was told to STOP smoking herb or the FDA/DEA would "throw me in jail" because they can run up in there & look at patient records anytime. WHAT happened to dr.- patient confidentiality??? I WAS down to 2(occassionally 4)mgs of Sub, daily (on my own). He insists that his patients take the Sub 4x a day. Isn't that enforcing addictive behavior? The huge packet of patient rules & information was full of advice and directions to SNITCH on other patients(who sell Subs or go to bars) & also encouragement to SNITCH on doctors who we even suspect of over writing opiate 'scripts!!!! My anxiety's high & I have no appetite & not sleeping well without the herb. Doc suggests anti psychotic meds for anxiety, instead! I feel TRAPPED, paranoid and angry, now and I am the chump PAYING  this "doctor". It is voluntary probation, man. I was also told that it is an  amazing drug with NO WITHDRAWALS!!!!!(only psychological)I've been playing this Sub game too long to fall for that lie again. The Subs were almost 15 bucks a pop at the pharmacy. 10 bucks to get on my own. ... I could hear the pharmacist talking junk about addicts, sub programs and my dr (who just got outta jail himself). I cannot-will not live this way. So all around this ain't gonna work. I need to find sao's and a sitter and do an Ibo flood. Sorry for the bad attitude. I'm angry at myself and this situation. I am near Canada. I only need a sitter- have my own  hcl & t/a from reputable source. I've done plenty of psychedelics( in my younger days). But won't do Ibo alone. Hope I'm not saying stuff that I'm not supposed to say on here. I am not used to forums , at all. I also am not used to asking for help......I am desperate for REAL help. No faith at all for westernized medicine. Again apologies if, I posted this in wrong place or said anything wrong. I am grateful to have found this place with people who can relate to these issues. I swear if I could get past the ungodly sickness&PAWS that I would NEVER use opiates again. Thanks again for being here & hope you all are well.