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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2011, 11:07:18 AM »
rOm,

here it says "Chiric Sanango (Brunfelsia grandiflora)"

http://www.nixipae.com/diets.html

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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2011, 11:15:29 AM »
Here is this amazing article, I believe it refers to tabernaemontana sananho (uchu sanango), I have just now asked them it's botanical identity, wait and see...

http://www.bluemorphotours.com/workshop-descriptions/sanango-diet.html

Im thinking they refer to Brunfelsia grandiflora - Brunfelsia http://www.entheology.org/edoto/anmviewer.asp?a=32&z=5

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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2011, 12:03:44 PM »
rOm,

here it says "Chiric Sanango (Brunfelsia grandiflora)"

http://www.nixipae.com/diets.html

thats really it, Brunfelsia grandiflora
http://www.nixipae.com/testimonios/t_andre.html

to buy the bark http://www.kiwiboancaya.net/index.php?route=product/product&keyword=chiric&category_id=38&product_id=150

I'd love to know more about this plant and in depgh, but the google couldn't make it  ::)

Tabernaemontana sananho is one another story and I wonder why it is called chiric sanango

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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2011, 12:21:38 PM »
Look what I just found:

http://herbs.maxforum.org/2010/08/28/brunfelsia-grandiflora-the-secret-to-making-legal-/

http://www.erowid.org/plants/brunfelsia/

Its not about Ibogaine in Sanago at all, but scopoletin which all the effects come from.

I believe because two plants has been called with one name, there were misinformation out there.

Thank you Kambogahuasca for sanango diet article  8) I think this plant is awesome and should try it soon  :)

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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2011, 02:35:34 PM »
I think we should wait a bit...when I asked them if it was T.Sananho(Uchu Sanango) they said it wasn't but that they do utilize Uchu Sanango.  They said they don't know the botanical name of this Sanango in the dieta extradonaire.

Now because I can't leave it also I have asked them if it is Shiric Sanango (Brunselsia Grandifolia)---the baddest ass mf in the forest.

I will post there response, but I am guessing now this Sanango is altogether different...at least I hope.

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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #20 on: December 17, 2011, 05:22:12 PM »
But which Sanango is this Sanango?

http://vimeo.com/m/10744035

Well it smells like Sanango it looks like Sanango it must be...
I have no fucking idea yet???????

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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #21 on: December 17, 2011, 05:36:06 PM »
So he was just testing me, when I would not giving up asking him about it over and over he finally caved in.  It's Iboga's very tall son T. Sananho aka Uchu Sanango full botanical name of tabernaemontana sananho.

Here is what he finally says after 4 times of me asking, it is kind of funny I can sense him being like oookkkkaaaayyy here it is...

"We use Uchu sanango for the diet. Please be aware though, that you cannot take it on your own and have it be medicine. It only becomes medicine in the hands of a medicine shaman who has spent years training with the plants and knows how to work with the medicine spirits. Taking sanango on your own could be very dangerous to your health and I would strongly recommend that you do not do so".
 
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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #22 on: December 17, 2011, 11:11:49 PM »
I see,

here is all their plants name http://www.bluemorphotours.com/medicinal-plants-and-animals-in-the-peruvian-amazon.html

They have listed 3 different Sanango plant, Brunselsia Grandifolia included too.

all three use is the same  ::)

and one another person in the same boat hehe http://www.singingtotheplants.com/2007/12/chiricsanango/
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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #23 on: December 18, 2011, 10:47:56 AM »
Got an answer from nixipae.com who they provide Sanango diet...

"Hello,

about your dude... the Sanango is a family of plants... for diet is possible to use some diferents... but most common is CHIRIC SANANGO (Brunfelsia grandiflora), the most powerful... Uchu Sanango is less powerfull, my teacher always said that Uchu Sanango is a plant for lazy dogs... :D for hunting... i dont know if was a joke...

well,

we use always Chiric Sanango...

blessings and i hope to answer your question

 
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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #24 on: December 27, 2011, 12:44:10 AM »
"Sanango, a word that essentially means "memory," is a name given to a number of Amazonian plants (Schultes 1979,186)"

"Tabernaemontana sananho Ruiz et Pavon--sanango
In Amazonia, the sanango tree, which can grow as tall as 5 meters, is regarded as a cure-all; the leaves, the root, and the latex-rich bark are all used in folk medicine. (Schultes 1979, 187 ff.) The leaves of the tree are used psychoactively as an additive to ayahuasca and also are combined with Virola spp. to produce an orally efficacious hallucinogen. The plant is also called uch pa huasca sanango and it is known as a "memory plant," a reference to the fact that its inclusion in a psychoactive preparation cases a person to better remember the experiences he or she has has while under the influence of that preparation.  It is added to ayahuasca so that a person can, afterward, more clearly recall the visions he or she saw.

In Ecuador, the plant is known as sikta and is available in raw form (short branch pieces) at local markets.

The Jibaro drip the freshly pressed juice intothe nostrils of their dogs so that they may be better
able to locate prey. The plant is also known as yacu zanango.296

It is rich in alkaloids (Schultes 1983a, 270*)."

"Tabernaemontana tetrastachys H.B.K.-uchusanango,
saticu
The Makuna Indians call this plant bee-e-ge and use its latex as stimulating eyedrops (cf. Tabernanthe
iboga). A few drops is said to dispel tiredness and sleep (Schultes 1979, 189)."

from
The Encyclopedia of Psychoactive Plants by Christian Rätsch.



Now we can see the correlation to the statement of sanango being useful for lazy hunting dogs.
I'm guessing Tabernaemontana sananho is synonymous with Tabernaemontana undulata?
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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #25 on: January 02, 2012, 07:03:56 AM »
What do you think of this species?

https://www.heavenly-products.com/cart/tabernaemontana-divaricata-crape-jasmine-cutting-p-1570.html?osCsid=e04cce42d3b54f2f1e0e44ff059fba12

also sanhano description located here:

https://www.heavenly-products.com/cart/tabernaemontana-sananho-uchu-sanango-cutting-p-2482.html?osCsid=e04cce42d3b54f2f1e0e44ff059fba12

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=3716

I had links of tests/list of constituents found in the plants but i lost them due to my other computer fucking up.
Which tabernaemontana species seem most promising to you?
sanhano ,divaricata, & orientalis all look pretty promising to me.
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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2012, 02:58:54 AM »
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IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  ALSTONIA MUELLERIANA (APOCYNACEAE)           ENTIRE PLANT
    NOT STATED                -              J00620

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  DATURICARPA ELLIPTICA (APOCYNACEAE)          ROOTBARK
    CONGO-BRAZZAVILLE         80.0% OF ALKAL K01732

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  ERVATAMIA ORIENTALIS (APOCYNACEAE)           LEAF
    AUSTRALIA                 -              J06745

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  ERVATAMIA YUNNANENSIS (APOCYNACEAE)          ROOT
    CHINA                     -              H04639

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  PAGIANTHA CERIFERA (APOCYNACEAE)             FRUIT
    NEW CALEDONIA             -              M21168

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  PAGIANTHA CERIFERA (APOCYNACEAE)             LEAF
    NEW CALEDONIA             -              M21168

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  SARCOPHARYNGIA CRASSA (APOCYNACEAE)          SEED
    IVORY COAST               00.00813%      H03257

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  STENOSOLEN HETEROPHYLLUS (APOCYNACEAE)       STEMBARK
    GUYANA(FRENCH)            00.01%         M08934

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNAEMONTANA CITRIFOLIA (APOCYNACEAE)     LEAF
    GUADELOUPE                -              H06009

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNAEMONTANA CRASSA (APOCYNACEAE)         STEMBARK
    CAMEROON                  00.00150%      M10271

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNAEMONTANA CRASSA (APOCYNACEAE)         STEMBARK
    CAMEROON                  -              M09933

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNAEMONTANA OLIVACEA (APOCYNACEAE)       STEM
    PERU                      00.0001%       N07058

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNAEMONTANA QUADRANGULARIS (APOCYNACEAE) ROOT
    PERU                      00.0003%       N05046

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNANTHE IBOGA (APOCYNACEAE)              ROOT
    GABON                     -              A05381

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNANTHE IBOGA (APOCYNACEAE)              ROOT
    NOT STATED                00.18%         A05512

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNANTHE IBOGA (APOCYNACEAE)              ROOT
    NOT STATED                -              A05062

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNANTHE PUBESCENS (APOCYNACEAE)          ROOTBARK
    ZAIRE                     02.6685%       N08631

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TABERNANTHE PUBESCENS (APOCYNACEAE)          TRUNKBARK
    ZAIRE                     00.7121%       N08631

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  TRACHELOSPERMUM JASMINOIDES (APOCYNACEAE)    LEAF + STEM
    PAKISTAN                  -              M18506

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  VOACANGA AFRICANA (APOCYNACEAE)              ENTIRE PLANT
    NOT STATED                -              A2230A

IBOGAINE   (INDOLE ALKALOID)
  VOACANGA SCHWEINFURTHII (APOCYNACEAE)        ROOTBARK
    ZAIRE                     00.02%         N015350

http://www.puzzlepiece.org/ibogaine/041697.html

This makes Daturicarpa elliptica look interesting and Tabernanthe pubescens look VERY interesting...
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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #27 on: January 05, 2012, 11:20:07 AM »
KIAP, I got the wood of shiric sanango do you got that also or leaves ?
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« Reply #28 on: January 05, 2012, 02:44:39 PM »
The root is the more potent medicine but remember we have to be real specific this is Uchu Sanango aka Tabernaemontana Sananho but you are right it is also called Shiric Sanango but that is sometimes when it gets confused with Chiric Sanango so I don't call it that for that reason.  It is a cousin of Iboga and I believe what they make the psychoactively healing eyedrops out of in the Amazon, they call it Becchete by the Matses and the Kaxinawa people in Brazil call it Sananga.  This remedy has great potential to heal the eyes aka soul.  I am hunting to figure it out.  This is one of the main reasons I do Kambo so much so I can find this remedy since they won't share it with us.  I will track it down so I have a happy death/life.

You want the root.  You got it from Maya and got the wood but to my understanding this would be like getting the wood of Iboga instead of the ROOT.  In other words how else can I say it but it will pale in comparison to the true healing element.

If you want the root as Kiwiboancaya for the Uchu Sanango aka Tabernaemontana Root, and say your friend recommended them to you.  They are busy harvesting it as we speak so if you ask in a reasonably soon time they will be very conducive to your request.  It is not yet listed on their site yet but soon.  It is $39/kg. 

Here are some sources to back up my first paragraph...
http://www.dancingbearbotanicals.com/index.php?action=printpage;topic=2737.0
http://www.amazon-indians.org/Matis-Video-01.html
----For that last link go to the Shaman's Way video towards the bottom and at seconds 20-35 you will see Becchete/Sananga
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UB5MMJ2yaBo

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Re: tabernaemontana undulata
« Reply #29 on: January 26, 2012, 02:07:42 PM »
It is now know uncontested in my spirit that the Tabernaemonta Undulata is what they use to make both Becchete and Sananga.  My sources have granted permission to sell me some of the roots and I learned how to extract watching this video called "The Shaman's Way".  I will then add 40% vegetable glycerin as a stabalizer.  They will not allow me to sell or give the root but will allow me to sell or give the finished and very safely tested on myself end product eye drops.  In about 1-2 months will be available this new ancient technology for the vision of humanity in the form of eye drops.  My work of culminations might be coming true granted I further my studies with Grandmother Earth.  Here is a better wikepedia source which proved to be hard to find about the exact identity of the plant (root). 

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernaemontana_undulata

When applied directly to the eye, Becchete has the effect of giving the environment greater texture and dimension, making it easier to spot animals during hunting. The effects are reported to be long-term, lasting days or weeks, not just a few hours. In addition to visual enhancement, there is also an increase in energy. On application, the eyes sting, however this would be expected considering that Becchete is extracted with Amazonian river water that is high in tannic acid, which on its own would sting and burn the eyes. In the Amazonian Ethnobotanical Dictionary by James A. Duke and Rodolfo Vásquez, it is reported that Amazonian Indians from the Ticuna tribe mix the latex from a closely related species, Tabernaemontana sananho, with water in order to treat eye wounds.[1] In addition to be applied to the eyes as the Matis and Ticuna tribes do, it is most commonly taken orally by the Matsés.

The principle active ingredient in Tabernaemontana is Ibogaine, a naturally occurring psychoactive compound. Ibogaine is used in pain management and to treat opiate addiction. In addition, it is used to facilitate psychological introspection and spiritual exploration. In low dosages, Ibogaine is a stimulant and aphrodisiac, while in larger amounts it is a divinatory medicine, similar to both Ayahuasca and Peyote.

Scott Wallace of National Geographic was the first person to report the use of this indigenous Amazonian medicine by the Matis tribe.[2]Dan James Pantone, one of the founders of the Movement in the Amazon for Tribal Subsistence and Economic Sustainability (MATSES), discovered that the Matsés tribe also uses Becchete. In September 2008, Pantone collected plant samples from the Amazon rainforest in the Matsés Indian Territory in the region of the Yaquerana River on the border of Peru with Brazil. Working together with other botanists at the Universidad Nacional de la Amazonía Peruana (UNAP) in Iquitos, Peru, he was able to identify the plant species as Tabernaemontana undulata, part of the Tabernaemontana genus and the Apocynaceae plant family. Pantone has produced a documentary video showing the Matis using Becchete as a traditional medicine.[