Topic: tabernaemontana undulata

[humility]

Just learned about this plant, tabernaemontana undulata. It contains ibogaine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabernaemontana_undulata

Does anyone have experience with it? Know of any vendors? Is it scheduled?

[digital_phreedom]

Hmmmm.. Well I think it's very interested if Ibogaine is also found in plants that grow in the Amazon! Neato..

However, I just did some fairly extensive searching on Becchete and Tabernaemontana Undulata, and other than that Wiki article, which is based off an article out of an issue of National Geographic magazine, I can't find anything.. I've found a few sites that DO reference the plant as part of the family and genus that wiki says it in.. But as far as it containing Ibogaine, or the Becchete thing they're talking about applying.. I can't find a thing. I'm not saying I think it's bogus or anything, but obviously there's not much info on this out there..

And crazy.. Did you read that whole article? It says they apply it to their eyes (ouch!) because the visual effects help them distinguish animals from their surroundings when hunting, and "the effects are reported to be long term lasting days or weeks, not just hours".. And that article is also not the first time I've seen Ibogaine listed as an aphrodisiac in small doses... Hmmmm.. Ideas. Hahaha..

[RavAv]

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja01490a031

and while your reading

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/np0105432

[digital_phreedom]

Wow, nice find Rav, thanks!

[humility]

I first heard about it from "Tracy Blevins: Ibogaine from other Iboga family plants" at the Iboga conference at Northeastern University in 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBGVe_JDrH0

I am interested to apply this on my eyes, as well as its purported anxiolytic effects.

And yes, iboga is DEFINITELY AN APHRODISIAC in low doses I only use about 50-100mg of the TA but they are the best seductive and in-tune nights ever.

[GreenerDream3r]

It is mentioned in the Ibogaine TIHKAL entry, by Alexander Shulgin.

Tabernaemontanta is not actually a genus but a "sub-family", and therefore also classified  as "Tabernaemontanoidae". that may turn up some more results too. He reports that only some of the several dozen or so plants in this sub family contain ibogaine, others may have analgesic or sedative properties.

I haven't seen any of that plant available for sale myself... but Voacanga root bark, which is legal in the United States and a pretty commonly sold entheogen, contains a very small amount of ibogaine. If you have access to a chemistry set and a little chem knowledge, the extraction process looks pretty easy. 

is there a good way to post attachments, like a .pdf file? i have a great journal article on this to share.

[Eon T McKnight]

Ya!  I have heard of a Tabernaemontana species being used as an ayahuasca admixture, which spurred my limited investigation into ibohuasca.

     http://eboka.pkeffect.com/index.php/topic,102.msg1193.html#msg1193

~et

[Iboga Panacea]

Where to purchase----

For bark:
http://www.kiwiboancaya.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=38&product_id=193

For leaves:
http://www.kiwiboancaya.net/index.php?route=checkout/cart

Some matses treatments (they call it Becchete) to possibly accompany Kambo, I'll try and figure it out and do experiments...

When applied directly to the eye, Becchete has the effect of giving the environment greater texture and dimension, making it easier to spot animals during hunting. The effects are reported to be long-term, lasting days or weeks, not just a few hours. In addition to visual enhancement, there is also an increase in energy.

[rOm]

Hi, I 've recently got some Tabernaemontana sananho aka Shiric Sanango.
I think it is also relevant as an ayahuasca admixture as source of ibogaine.
What's your experience, thoughts about this plant also ?

[Iboga Panacea]

My experience is to be moderate and careful when adding a Tabernaemontana to your brews but at the same time put in a healthy portion.  I just started working with T. Sananho and am really into it's energy I want to do a dieta with it.  But T. Undulata has different properties indoles and alkaloids.  I am getting enthused about the species and will likely dive in full fledged to research them with these books...

http://books.google.com/books/about/Series_of_revisions_of_Apocynaceae_XXI.html?id=kckmPwAACAAJ

Essence of T.sananho...
http://www.sacredtreeessences.com/plant-directory/uchu-sanango/

[PsilocybeChild]

I'm very interested in any more light you can shed on T. undulata & sanhano.
effects, dose, duration. experiences? don't be shy 
any info on whether or not these species seem to be free of any toxins?

[Iboga Panacea]

I'm really looking deeply into it and will be doing an in depth study.  I will share whatever I learn about Iboga's children.  I found a book on T. Undulata but it is very expensive for the minuscule 68 pages but I believe this where the wikipedia info is derived from...

http://www.betterworldbooks.com/tabernaemontana-undulata-id-6133642122.aspx

Also I will begin writing directly to the M.A.T.S.E.S organization and enquire about what they know.

As far as T. Sananho it is mainly added to Aya to enhance the ability to remember the experience.  This is very interesting as when one recalls there Iboga flood every detail can be precisely recalled even years afterwords.  Aya on the other hand, as many know is quite fleeting to remember the lessons hence T. Sananho meets the eye.  Once doing one of my obsessive searches that I sometimes do I came upon a site focusing heavily on T.Sananho dietas and nearly all of it's abilities.  Of course now I can't find the link, it was one of those late late late miracles that are hard to duplicate.

I promise nothing will be witheld, we're a healing family built on sharing.  Now I'll look for that one link again so I can scratch my itch.

-IP

[PsilocybeChild]

They way it sounds to me, is that the content of the book is derived from a range of wikipedia articles and compiled into one book?

[Iboga Panacea]

Here is this amazing article, I believe it refers to tabernaemontana sananho (uchu sanango), I have just now asked them it's botanical identity, wait and see...

http://www.bluemorphotours.com/workshop-descriptions/sanango-diet.html

[counterbond]

are you guys talking about putting ibogaine in your eye???