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Offline roy d

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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2010, 06:58:03 AM »

Hi CL,

I really don't think that's how Ibo works.  You are not addicted and you believe a flood is needed.  From what I have read 1gm a day is a fair amount and I don't think you would like to do it for 30 days.  Why not try 250mg for a 3 to 7 days then 500 for 3 to 7 days and see what your body is telling you.  Others who take the RB will chime in and help you out a bit.

Most of the people here understand very well how you sometimes have to do it at home because of...of....not having a lot of cash. Oh yea we know.  If your in good health why spend that kind of money.  One of the best Exp I had was when I was only on 45mg of MS for pain and took 1gm of the HCL.  It did not beat me up that bad and I woke up with the Ibo glow for the first and only time.  The dose would of been apx 10-11mg/kg - it was great.  The next time I took 1.5gm and WOW what a difference and not a fun one. 

You seem anxious to get you feet wet, why not get a gram and take maybe .33 and see what happens.  Then a week or two later take the other .66 and see what happens.  That way you will have a rough idea of what to expect.  I do read a lot of different posts and sometimes get mixed up and forget that some people use it for other problems than addiction.  You have had your problems in life and you think Ibo may help you and it may.  But since your not a drug user you may not enjoy the Exp, I don't enjoy the Exp but it is necessary much like having your appendix removed - it must be done.  And your not really planning on taking the full flood soon if I remember correctly.  Now, do you have some good trustworthy buds you can have come over and be with you.  You should be OK in 24 hrs on .3  but I can't guess the .6gm.  Now, you may break down and cry and things like that - it is not a fun ride.  Of course that is just me.  I am not sure of your weight but (please tell those folks in your country to use kg or lbs but not stone - lol) if your maybe 100-130lbs or so the .6 can be ...quite noticeable.  And maybe, just maybe, you could get what you need or maybe even say noooooo way - that stuff is Bizarre.  But you then have a choice, you have a rough idea of what your getting into.  Whatever you do, don't try and drive or bake something in the over or cook on the stove.  And you may not eat much or sleep much for a week.

Just and idea,

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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2010, 08:13:45 AM »
sorry ;)
i moved it .
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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2010, 09:45:10 PM »
Hello crazylife ,

i would take 1/3 of the RB on a night to where you didnt have to work the next day as your short term memory will be shot more than likely but by the following day i think you would be fine to take on your regular day (all wont be restored but you should be functional - motor skills and memory . your emotional state will fluctuate but it should be managable during the periods of time that you have to mix it up with the people you work with , the guy working at the gas station or your signifigant other ......... (& so on & on ). You could have anger issues come up (a sort of hotheadedness that sometimes gets mixed in with the afterglow post eboka) - this will disapate shortly after tx also.
Once identifed (temper temper ) its pretty easy to handle untill it disapates .
the scenario that i desrcribed above is a basic three day plan .
i came to use it myself on more than one occassion after i began working full time again . i would journey on a friday night and work it out before i had to return to work on monday .
this method would not work with a full flood dose as the recovery time is longer (could be much longer ) there . After my 1st flood i didnt sleep forever and even after i got sleep i was wacky , wacky with memory problems lasting up to almost 2 weeks.
on what would be basicly a 10 g shot of Eboka RB at once you will be fine on this plan and could do each third a week apart on the same day .
these are just some ideas from a big fan of ibogaine and its teachings .
I am sorry about interupting this thread with my personal rantings earlier .
i have posted them elsewhere as of this time .
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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #33 on: December 25, 2010, 03:05:21 AM »
Hey Roy - Ive decided now to do it myself. I cant see the benefit of paying someone X amounts of cash to basically just have a 4 day sleep-over.
If they had an ECG machine on site & trained nurse etc etc - maybe i could see it being worthwhile, but they dont.
I have a few people i can trust, just have major trust issues. One person in particular will more than likely be capable of sitting, and will understand the kind of stuff that will be happening. The others would probably see Iboga as an 'evil drug' even though they are happy to smoke weed 7 days a week, lol.
Im leaning towards taking the T.A. ( i weigh 15 stones, and have been told 5 grammes is the flood dose), and have already bought a 000 capsule filling machine.
Thanks man.

Hi HarveyPlex,
No worries man.  :)   Im currently not working and have zero commitments, so timing aint an issue. Im not sure whether to put ground root bark into capsules (20g flood dose) or use T.A. (4-5g).
Ive still got a few months before i do it.
Id have plenty of time afterwards to wrap my head around what it brought up, and what i became aware of. Thanks for sharing your thoughts man.


Since i told myself i was taking Iboga the wierdest things have started happening. Ive had loads of childhood memories come back (so intense) and i feel like im more aware of other worlds i cant see.
I hope this doesnt sound too strange, but its as if my mind knows what Iboga will show me, so its already (before ive even touched ANY of it) showing me things - as if to make the whole experience less traumatic when i do eventually take a flood.  :o :o


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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #34 on: December 25, 2010, 09:04:41 AM »
no need for EKG machine unless underlying cardiac problems.  I did rent a defib machine for a guy who had WPW.  Other wise just a oximeter is find.. shows constant heart rate and o2 levels.

I went to a "clinic" and didnt have one.. I wish you well in your endevor.
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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #35 on: December 25, 2010, 11:15:54 AM »

Hi CL,

Stone (Imperial mass)
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The stone is a unit of measure, abbreviation st[1] which, when it ceased to be legal for trade in United Kingdom in 1985, was defined in British legislation as being a weight or mass [sic] equal to 14 avoirdupois pounds (about 6.35 kilograms).[2] It was also formerly used in several Commonwealth countries.[citation needed]

Eight stones make a hundredweight in the Imperial system.

Quit using stone as a unit of measurement.  First it is illegal, second, it could screw up you dose by someone with limited math skills, and I forget the 3rd reason.

Your talking about taking 20grams of RB, before I would take 20gm of RB I think I would take 1gm to make sure I am not allergic to it or just to be on the safe side.  It is possible that you may say "Nooooo way am I taking 20gm of that stuff.


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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #36 on: January 03, 2011, 02:34:06 PM »
Hi Roy,

Good point man. (about using metric).
Well i got advised by IW that 5G T.A. would be my dose, but after keeping a close eye on this forum and reading what others are saying, i must say that i think it sounds alot.
Im changing my mind (again) to using bark. I think i have a strong stomach, and 20g doesnt sound alot to chew and swallow - no doubt ill be proven wrong and ill be gipping all over the place.  8)

Also bark is cheaper, and it seems the strength of it (from what i can see) only varies from like 3-6% max.
I asked two friends to sit for me.
1 had alot of bad experiences with drugs as a teenager - and she doesnt see how beneficial Iboga could be for me, despite me explaining. Shes just relating it to her old days of taking too much MDMA and phet, which caused her alot of damage to her heart amongst other things. Shes sees it also as a 'drug' and thinks it will do me harm, hence she wont sit.

The other person (a guy ive known a long time) is wary. Hes very open minded and a long time pot smoker but seems nervous about sitting for me.
I wouldnt ask anyone else i know, mainly because i wouldnt trust them to stay awake for 24 hours to check on me. Most would probably fall asleep watching porn and eating pizza.
I need someone who can take things seriously.
Seems like my dad will sit for me - as ive convinced him i will take a mega safe dosage and it will be ok.
Still not sure when im going to do it.

Thanks Man, CL.


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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #37 on: January 03, 2011, 03:45:42 PM »

Hi CL,

A person does not have to stay awake a full 24 hours constant, just keep an eye on ya.  I was in the bedroom and my wife would check on me.  Also, she would hear me puke and come right away.  When I was having my experience I did not want any noise and could not stand any smells - both these senses are greatly increased.  Hated to be in the supermarket and near the soap isle - smelled it isles away and this was a month or so later.  If possible I would try and get the root bark that is ground to a powder and put them in a capsule.  You really do not want to chew 20 grams and swallow if you can help it.  I am not that experienced with large doses of RB but I am somewhat concerned.  RB is usually for die hard people rather than new people.  Of course I am for whatever works.

Those who have taken 20 grams of RB what do you think?

Best to all,

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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #38 on: January 03, 2011, 04:29:52 PM »
There is no need whatsoever to chew that shit...in fact, my vote is don't.

I have eaten over 20 grams of bark on two different occasions...first I was able to ingest 30g, in ten gram increments but could not keep the last 10g down long enough to have full effect. Second time I was shooting for thirty but only managed getting 24 in, and that was not easy. You'll absolutely puke, and probably pretty hard too, but that's a necessary part of this type of experience. Frankly I found that the stuff came up easier than it went down!

Maybe start by trying to get ten down, then eat the rest by 2g increments so you can keep it all down long enough to get all the medicine out of it.

I powdered it and mixed it with honey, but even then it was a chore. You could cap it in gelcaps but that'd be a whole bunch of caps to eat. Just take it slow - nice and easy, you don't necessarily have to start with ten whole grams, I just personally like to get it out of the way, lol, and start to get the trip underway. Maybe try it 2 or 4g at a time, as long as you get the full amount in within a few hours all should go well. It will take longer to come on, and last longer than the other forms (HCL/TA/PTA) but the rootbark has a certain traditional element to it that the other forms do not. Good luck!
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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #39 on: January 03, 2011, 06:31:55 PM »

Hi All,

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You'll absolutely puke, and probably pretty hard too,

Yes, that's called Restless Stomach Syndrome,  I hate when that happens.

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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2011, 05:10:53 AM »
Roy - I appreciate your advice. Just trying to find a balance. Ive already bought a 000 cap machine. Thay can hold around 1250 mg per capsule i believe. Maybe i should go for 15G total the first time then - around 12 gelcaps of ground bark.
I could take 1 for a tester. Then take 3 capsules every 30 minutes or so?
That might be a good idea for first experience?

Calaquendi - Thanks man. I keep changing my method depending on what experience i read.  I have 000 caps i can put the ground bark into. I havent bought the bark yet, as i was waiting until i was sure when i was planning to do the flood. I could get the stronger bark they sell at Reset.nu  (around 5-6% i think) and i would probably only need to use 10 x 000 sized capsules, which isnt too bad. (maybe 12 max).
Thanks again.

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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2011, 05:46:43 AM »
Crazylife ,
i would cap up all 20 grams .
i would take 5 grams every hour .
- at the third hour i would really try to limit movement and stay in the same spot for the rest of the dosing and most of the experience to follow .
you will be fine taking it all this way .
again , limit movement and interaction with others during this time .
i would just lay on a bed or couch in a room with little or no light .
have a bucket near by for purging or peeing in (big smile) .
movement can irritate the system while on eboka and you can risk getting sick because of it.
I always have to watch how i sit up as if you do it too quickly it can shake the system up enough as to get you puking .
just look at the ceiling or wall (in a dark room)and let your thoughts & visions roll by .
much love and star wars
- hp

ps  -  having a sitter or someone check in on you for the 1st 6 - 12 hours isnt a bad idea for someone going about this for the first time .
 i also believe that one can do this alone also . just know the risks and try to be prepared to handle them should they come up .


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« Reply #42 on: January 06, 2011, 02:26:45 AM »
I recently sat with a man who had bark only for his flood. We powdered it well, and he ate approx 5g every twenty minutes. We put it on a folded paper and he poured it to the back of his mouth, followed by the tiniest sip of water. When we reached 40g, he vomited immediately upon taking the dose. This was his second flood, no addictions this time save nicotine. He is approx 90kg. The bark was approx 5%.

The session was beautiful, vitals stable the whole time, much somatic and emotional healing. Lasted 36h.

I conferred with someone who has done many, many bark only sessions, it was conveyed to me, and I witnessed, that the dose will self limit through vomiting.

As a sitter/guide/therapist whatever, I have never felt more comfortable with someone going through a session.

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« Reply #43 on: January 06, 2011, 05:03:42 AM »
Thanks HarveyPlex and X for your words.   8)
Thats it = minds made up.
20g of bark in capsules, 5 every hour or so, depending on how its feeling. With a 1 gram tester 1 hour before anything else.
Seems safe enough.   
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Re: Advice for beginner.
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2011, 12:45:30 AM »
I think I am gonna try a flood with bark..  See how much it takes me..
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